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Monday, 31 August 2020

PLA aggression in Pangong, Indian Special Forces launch a counter

 

The area around Thakung Post, where the latest clashes took place (Map courtesy: The Wire)


By Ajai Shukla

Business Standard, 1st Sept 20

 

The failure of three months of military and diplomatic dialogue in persuading Beijing to withdraw its troops from Eastern Ladakh was underlined on Sunday when hundreds of soldiers of China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) crossed into the Indian side of the Line of Actual Control (LAC) south of Pangong Tso lake, occupied a mountain called Helmet Top and began building fortifications.

 

Credible government sources say Indian soldiers from the nearby Thakung post intervened, to try and prevent the PLA from building defences. Physical clashes followed, though there are no reports of firing or casualties on either side.

 

Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC. From here, Chinese soldiers can observe and track Indian movements across the Pangong lake and as far away as India’s tactically vital Chushul garrison.

 

“On the night of 29/30 August, PLA troops violated the consensus arrived at during military and diplomatic engagements…  and carried out provocative military movements to change the status quo,” said the Indian army on Monday.

 

“Indian troops pre-empted this PLA activity on the southern bank of Pangong Tso Lake, undertook measures to strengthen our positions and thwart Chinese intentions to unilaterally change facts on ground,” said the army statement.

 

“A brigade commander-level flag meeting is in progress in Chushul to resolve the issues,” it said.

 

Indian officials, however, are keeping silent about a counter operation, launched on Sunday night by soldiers of a secretive Indian commando force called the Special Frontier Force (SFF). Consisting of soldiers recruited from the Tibetan refugee community in India and formed into what are termed “Vikas battalions”, an SFF detachment is reported to have occupied key heights that China claims as their own.

 

There are differing accounts of what transpired but, according to one source, the SFF detachment clashed with Chinese troops and inflicted significant casualties on them. One Tibetan SFF officer was reportedly killed and at least two injured in the operation.

 

On Monday, the PLA Western Theater Command, which is responsible for the entire Sino-Indian border, accused India of “illegally crossing the line” on August 31 at two points – the south bank of Pangong Lake and near Rezang La. The statement said India had "blatantly provoked and caused tension on the border” and had “undermined the consensus reached” at the diplomatic and military talks.

 

Stating that "This move by the Indian side seriously violated China's territorial sovereignty,” the PLA said it, is "taking necessary countermeasures, will pay close attention to developments and resolutely safeguard China's territorial sovereignty and peace and stability in border areas.”

 

The Pangong sector has been bitterly contested since the PLA trespassed across the LAC here in mid-May. The bulk of the Chinese force occupied the lake’s northern bank, up to a point called Finger 4. Meanwhile, several hundred PLA soldiers climbed the hills that overlook Pangong lake from the north and entrenched themselves on a dominating height called Green Top, where they still remain.

 

Meanwhile, another 2,000 Chinese soldiers crossed the LAC into the Pangong lake’s south bank and began patrolling up to a mountain called Black Top, which adjoins Helmet Top and India’s important Thakung Post.

 

Both Black Top and Helmet Top are on India’s side of the LAC. The PLA’s occupation of both features has effectively shifted the LAC westwards, to China’s advantage.

 

Sources on the ground say the PLA brought along enough building materials to Helmet Top to construct fortifications for three-four infantry companies (300-400 soldiers).

 

On the north bank of the Pangong lake, the PLA has shifted the LAC to its advantage by about eight kilometres, from Finger 8 to Finger 4. On the south bank, however, the strongly held Thakung post – which has a mixed garrison of army soldiers and Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP) troopers – continues to dominate the Pangong lake’s southern bank and observe Chinese activity on the lake and even on the north bank.

 

India has reinforced Eastern Ladakh strongly and there is anger amongst soldiers and young officers at what they perceive as Chinese perfidy. Many are convinced China is maintaining the pretence of dialogue and negotiations in order to create the opportunity to occupy more Indian territory.

 

“The Indian Army is committed to maintaining peace and tranquillity through dialogue, but is also equally determined to protect its territorial integrity,” stated the army tersely on Monday. 

 

Even as the PLA’s continuing aggression in Pangong hogs the spotlight, senior Indian planners apprehend this might be a Chinese ploy to divert attention from Depsang, in Northern Ladakh, which might be China’s actual target.

 

Depsang offers the shortest and easiest route for Indian armoured columns to reach the strategic Tibet-Xinjiang road (Highway G219), the security of which is Beijing’s core sensitive in this area. PLA intrusions 15 kilometres into the Depsang sector have currently blocked Indian patrols’ routes to the LAC.

 

The Chinese are also clinging to advantageous positions they occupied in the Hot Spring – Gogra area. Despite an agreed withdrawal plan, the PLA is refusing to withdraw from a dominating hill feature its soldiers have occupied in the vicinity of India’s Gogra Post.


151 comments:

  1. If india succeeded in occupying Chinese claimed territories, it will script a new narrative in the 3 month long stand off.
    Will Chinese dare to start a shooting war with India?

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    1. My late father Maj Gen Surjit Singh would say " if my auntie had balls, shed be my uncle"

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    2. Will India dare to fire the first shot???..i dont think so

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  2. “Na koi wahan hamari seema mein ghus aaya hai aur nahi koi ghusa hua hai”

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    1. It is good that IA is steadfast and playing the game of brinkmanship. Some pain at this juncture will reduce long term damage.

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    2. Sahi farmaya ! Ostrich kingdom hai

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    3. Ok so we are from Mars is what you feel? 😡

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  3. Modi is playing like Nehru back in 1964 who lost war &territory to Chinese. Weak economy, covid19 mishandling & thousands of death plus minority oppression India is in a weak position n seems will lose more territory to China. India has to think n reconsider its relationship with USA otherwise it will lose Russia so china Russian block with Pakistan nepal Bhutan Bangladesh Srilanka Iran n Turkey plus african Latin America a strong pole is emerging

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    1. What do you mean by "minority oppression" in India. Are you an oppressed person?

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    2. Emerging as a bloc and standing the ground are 2 different things. U can read history of Arab-Israel & iran- Iraq war.u will understand the role of so called allies. Situations will always be like this, if not this some other issues will be there. Its a issue between 2 countries and side which has a will and dedicated sons of soil will prevail and shape the situ as per them. Please don't be a despondent. China has issues with all including Russia. COVID times are purposely chosen by China cant' u see khalid.

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    3. Modi is playing the opposite of Nehru. Let's see if your Bloc can exterminate us or not

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    4. Dont really understand this narrative of u people.. Abuse nation, don't believe in law, do everything anti national, dnt consider yourself Indians then u say there is oppression. I mean u vomit shit in every platform then u bastard muzzie say there is oppression why the fuck u namak haram dont go to. Porkistan

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    5. Nice analysis Dr.khalid but I want add some more to your perspective. Firstly, indian defences, finances and leadership are not as weak as they were in 1962. Second , pak,nepal,Bhutan bangla srilanka and turkey may not be on our side,when a war emerges but they wont even join our enemies, simply they can't afford. Russian forces may remain neutral as it can't loose an emerging global power and big market for their defence products. Third, pak and china may hit us together but lest usa, Phillipines, Australia and Vietnam and even hongkong for sure join hands with the right force, The india. These are much more superior countries on all fronts than those countries
      you mentioned. So, this time it's checkmate china.

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    6. Sir, please shun your Modi bashing and get your facts right. In 1962 war not 1964 India lost territory to China due to Nehru's belief system and inept handling of the whole war machinery. Plus one more suggestion before you create the familiar narrative of minority oppression in India, please go on a tour to our nearest Islamic neighbor Pakistan to see how it treats their own Balochs, Ahmadiyyas and of course the Mahajirs who had chosen Pak at the time of partition over India.

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    7. You seem to be living in fool's paradise. There is Sky difference in Nehru's India of 1962 when Nehru surrendered 24K Miles to China. This is New India of Modi

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    8. Well pointed out...this happens when y have chai wala brains running country..

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    9. Modi is playing like a bold warrior standing his ground like nothing the country has ever seen before. Economy of all the counties are week because of Chinese Virus.
      We need to kick these terror supporting minority out of society & restore peace.

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    10. Weak economy?? Well each and every country's economy is reduced due to corona...and we failed to handle corona?? What kind of a crook are you?? India has done the 3rd highest number of tests in the world and our recovery rate is growing significantly reducing the fatality rate..do some math.
      And minorities are threatened in India? Do you have any proof for that?? Indian army gave a 2nd chance to 4 terrorists to change and move on but you expect them to keep quiet when they pelt stones at our soldiers...you are just a BRAINWASHED madrasachap lol😂 Bangalore riots, kashmir riots, delhi riots and sweden riots are caused by your so called peaceful community😂
      You are no analyst to say that we will lose more land to china cuz according to your puny knowledge our armed forces are weaker than the chinese?? It was back then but not now..china is hiding their galwan casualties and obviously they faced more casualties than us...lol...haven't you seen the google TRANSLATED pics?? You wont cuz you madrasachap is filled with hatred and knows ntg but to spit venom against india..did you forget how good of a lesson India taught china in 1967?? You wont talk abt this cuz you are a man of hatred and your knowledge about this is very tiny. DM to my insta ID: hum_killed4 If you wanna get debunked....we have strategic advantage over china but they don't..DM to know more

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    11. Don’t teach diplomacy to India. In this area India is master. China isolated and no country is supporting them, including Pakistan.

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    12. Very true, but there is not much choice India has, with an aggressor that wants to torment trouble. The Western and ASEAN countries will support india. Surely no country will join militarily to fight china, we have to fight our war

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    13. Army' Never Lie
      The Indian Army Said means 100,⚒️ True India Holded Top Hill views To Monitor China move easily

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    14. When we are doing comparison between Nehru and Modi we must have in our mind character and nature and here Modi and Nehru have had not any comparison, as one is western mentality and zero percent nationalist.second one hundred percent Bhartiya and Nationalist an output of RSS in half century, his courage to win adverse situation .worst time of China has started now ,china will lost all occupied area of Tibet and other parts of Akhand Bharat,allwill happen in Modi period in future world history.

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    15. This is not the right way of responding to Indian soldiers. Let whatever may be the ramifications, we must salute their brave acts of occupying the strategic Post. A brave counter act to aggressor. Jai Hind

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    16. Yes Dr. Khalid, you are absolutely correct. Can you share your expertise with the Indian Military? They are looking for your pearls of wisdom to bail them out.

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    17. What else we can expect you...It's not 1962 you peace full.

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    18. 62 not 64.
      Pakistan , part of a 'strong pole' .??
      Beggars can only serve one master after the other.

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    19. Pls help pakistan with your expertise in regional and international diplomacy

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    20. Dr Khalid dear this is Modi's Bharat of 21st century n not Nehru chacha's India of 1962. Kindly stop ur biased abuse of today's Bharat. Covid19 has been handelled well by Indian govt n d downfall of economy at present is due to d fallout of Covid n common to all developed n developing countries. There is no minority oppression of any kind however minority appeasement has stopped n efforts r on n to align d mindset of org institutions n few minds with that of Bharat as envisaged after it's partition in 1947 when Pakistan in d name of Islamic country was carved out of Bharat by Jinnah's Muslim league that represented d Muslim n had garnered 90% of Muslim votes PAN Bharat. Kindly know d diff betn LOC of Pakistan n LAC of China n then comment on intrusion.B confident that Bal is being maintained betn strategic ties with US n friendly relations with Russia. China's action in LAC is a quid pro quo to give strategic depth to Aksai chin n it's NH in POK(Gilgit Baltistan) .China Turkey Pak few African n Latin collaboration can take a hop n is good for dscn on TV debate n let's lve them for that. Nepal communist party(gift of previous govt policies towards our historicaly freindly Nepal) may make noises to suit d Communist China but Bharat has better option to apply in time as n when reqd kindly do not worry.Bangladesh n Srilanka hve done course correction.last but not d least this time dare Chinese attack Bharat they will beyond doubt get a bloody nose good enough to wash d humiliating defeat that Nehru Chacha got India in 1962,Jaihind.

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    21. LOL.If wishes were horses, Pakis would be riding them.

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    22. Are u stupid or acting like one
      Pakistan ( Beggar nation)
      And turkey can do nothing
      New Sri Lankan government is pro Indian

      Modi is not Nehru
      He know how to deal with radical dogs in kashmir and
      With China

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    23. Having read this, I can conclude that India has lost its entire boarder up there. Looking at the map, China will redefine and redraw a new LAC pretty soon.

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    24. Khalid Mian, why cannot you, for a start, start living in Syria? Turkey is nearby.

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    25. Khalid.... look at your back yard. Great analysts with no tooth to make the world a better place. Imran,Erdogan and the lists goes on. Start commenting on your kind , who have done gooddeeds. Fool

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    26. Modi is best PM India has ever had.....this certainly smoke your peaceful ass

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    27. Khalid don't compare Modi with Nehru . He is doing best for the country . Geop-political scenario you need leader to understand politics and Armed forces strength .
      Nehru should have allowed Airforce to enter China , PM Modi has already deployed Airforce , that is one of the difference . Rest will be handled by Ramji at Ayodhata .
      That way soldiers say "RAM RAM Sahabh " .
      Battles are won by motivation , Nehru was a traitor ....sold land to China.

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  4. What a shameless crook you are shukla. When the narrative suits you, you say -
    "Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC. From here, Chinese soldiers can observe and track Indian movements across the Pangong lake and as far away as India’s tactically vital Chushul garrison."
    And, When it does not, you say -
    "Indian officials, however, are keeping silent about a counter operation".

    Don't understand why credible sources are more than ready to tell you about occupation by chinese but nothing about indian retaliation.
    Have some iota of shame, for you, very unfortunately, served in the army. Don't sully the good name of IA, for all your hankering won't result in the heydays of you donkeys.

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    1. Well said ... Such a shame ?r ajay skukla you are ... If u were born in china or pakistan u wud have been killed or imprisoned for life ... With probably all family...such a shame ppl utilizing the democracy for their ulterior agendas....

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    2. Well said.
      Lutyens is full of Communist media

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    3. Manish u seem to be a blind bhakt

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    4. That's a good reply Manish.
      Totally agree with you.

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    5. A very apt reply to Mr Shukla.
      He is telling the half cooked story to fill his pockets. Being an ex IA he seems to be a shame.

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    6. What can he say he is a Congress stooge, he highlighted Chinese intrusions but silent on own forces occupying dominating heights.

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    7. Do not have over confidence In indian army...at the end of the day it is controlled by one chaiwala and his merry gang....

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    8. Well said manish .. precisely what I was about to post but you did so before me. Thanks :)

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    9. Let govt and Army clarify. Why keep suspense for us?

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    10. No clear picture is emerging. Common man make out nothing except that we have lost territory and Chinese are 15 kms further inside and we are meeting regarding withdrawal while they are fortifying the occupied territory.This has happened several times already and we are still following same thing.It should have been throw them out beyond LAC and then talk.My understanding is we lose territory and then take back some portion of it and then claim we have given a bloody nose to PLA whereas nothing of that sort has actually happened

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    11. He's a great guy and doing a great job

      All features and details mentioned are correct
      And for those who doubt
      Please understand
      En
      Info and activities are not of confidential nature
      But yes own information and activities are
      Required to be kept away from everyone
      To be disclosed only at an appropriate time and only few relevant details

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    12. You can call people by names and India is aware of such abuses.Ajay shukla remain most respected correspond who alone gave information about the border.Now you see truth is out

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    13. 🤣🤣chill brother . But yes in the idea of neutrality they sometimes forget how moral grounds on which indian army stands are complete different to that of Chinese. Huge respect to IA

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    14. Ajai Shukla is a Congi and Chinese paid writer. As you rightly said that unfortunately he has worked in Army too. Do not know what axe he is grinding against his own brethren?

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    15. Ajai Shukla is a pathetic pathological liar and a traitor who shameless peddles lies without any proof beyond his do called shadowy sources..so while he informs us that the Chinese have occupied two ridges Helmet Top and Black top he fails to inform us about the swift counter thrust of the indian army of occupying ridges that overlook the Spangur Garrison of the PLA..That is exactly why the Chinese have got nervous all of a sudden..the person who can put traitors like Shukla in their place is Abhijit Iyer Mitra who shut him up with facts figures and maps after the june 15th clash.. yet the shamelessness of Shukla is so much that he continues to rant that Chinese have entered 15km into our side of the LAC at Depsang without providing anynotoof whatsoever

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    16. Shukla who hasn't served at a height more than a sand dune in desert has suddenly become expert in high altitude and glaciated operations. All his analysis is based on Google maps and what he thinks should have happened, he has no sources, he just blabbers and shoots off the hip and gets paid for it, we should not give him much credence, he has no locus standi except being a congress stooge on whose backing he left Army and then joined NDTV after divorcing his first wife, sister of Menaka Gandhi. He was projected as a world class defence analyst by NDTV in connivance with then UPA government and his army background was used to justify his status. Actually he was propped up to counter Maj Mahroof Raza, another defence analyst who is known for his unbiased view points and a known critic of UPA.

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    17. Please get your facts right espacially regarding covid lets put this in prospective. Popultion india 1.3 billion population europe and north America combined 1.321 billion.
      Cases india 768206 europe/n america 8.6 million deaths ind 20642 eu and n america 468026 This is proper comparison this figures were done in July 2020. As for China the days of hindus turning the other cheek are gone our civilization gave up violance welcomed and gave refuge and freedom to all religons but were consistenly stabbed in the back Hindus were here long before Christians/ Islam / Judaism etc. And I respect all religons no religion teaches to kill and maime innocent people it teaches love and peace. But unfotunately greed and self importance took over Christains forgot Christianity when they slaughtered red indians / aborigines/ mayans aztecs and the slave trade same with Islam forced conversation killing in the name of religon. Hindus have never attacked or focefully converted anyone this does not mean we are weak! We are enlightened and follow a path of peace but are capable of fighting for what we stand for. please do not insult any religion or someones beliefs.
      As for Pakistan they agreed with the British and India during partition the few years later started to claim more well if thats the case we will claim all of Pakistan Bangladesh as prior to 1947 there was no Pakistan it was India. We will fight to the last man jai hind

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  5. The writer is writing as if he has seen everything with his own eyes...

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  6. The guy Ajay Shukla has been out always to run down IA..What is his credible sources...Why would IA tell him who are in the frontlifron?

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  7. Manish..u hv no rights to object to his views. They hv been proved correct in june. Dont throw a fake narrative of which you hv no understanding.

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  8. Can I request Manish not to use wrong language for a Vetern. What Col Shukla has written is 100 percent correct. Or you believe in what govt says......ek inch bhi Chinese andhar nahi aaye hain. Jhutthe kahin ke.
    The point I am trying to say is please use correct language for each other or you will also start getting same duly packed in baskets

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  9. India should not become a tool in the hands of United States and become part of their imperialist design. The examples of AF - Pak, Middle East recently and Africa and South America earlier are clear evidence that there is nothing India could benifit from being part of US design. The United States have a record of leaving these places destroyed once it achieves its goals. India will have to go back to its Non Aligned policy than play fool

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  10. Mr Khalid we expect this sort of reply from you people.
    Mr shukla you should ask yourself whether you were worth serving indian army, are you Sanjay of Mahabharata, or you have got some satellite connection.

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  11. Very nice! When can we get WW III started? It was getting boring, to be frank...

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  12. The SFF officer and jawan died in a landmine blast not in combat...
    7 VIKAS had pre- tempted the chinese and occupied chushul heights..
    In fact now we have intruded into Chinese territory and you can see PLA is complaining bitterly now having got a taste of their own medicine

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  13. In your article, Ajai, you have mentioned that Helmet Top and Black Top are on the Indian side of the LAC. Yet the map that accompanies the article show both these features on the Chinese side. This is symptomatic of the fog that surrounds the situation with analysts and government both guilty of keeping the public misinformed.

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  14. Minority oppression? Can you give a personal account of one?

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  15. They needed to be tought lesson. I believe other countries suppressed by chinese will also take simultaneous action.

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  16. Very poor naration on behalf of the vested interests to please some who are out to get rid of Modi and harm India.

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  17. Let the shooting match begin.

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  18. I am sure Indian Army have taught a good lesson to Chinese. No doubt we have a very strong political will and for sure current leadership is very very pro Army.

    Col Shukla or may be someone else may have a different view. However, using derogatory words against someone's view must be condemned in strong words.

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  19. Bit by bit strategic ground is being conceded and territory gifted to China. India appears to be bogged down faced with a belligerent China. There is no sense in diplomatic and military level talks for the ice has not been broken so far.Chinese intentions are threatening and India seems to be suffering from inferiority syndrome. These are moments when empty rhetoric become redundant and only pure action matters. But sadly, the Modi government has not prepared well both internally and externally for this faceoff. A strong will power is the need of the hour more than Rafale jets or a bulky army.
    (Md.Israil)

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  20. Manish you rightly said it. Something is definitely fishy in his reporting. On whose behest he is doing this is a mystery.

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  21. This guy Shukla just wants to grab attention...have read his earlier articles too...sure he had a desk job when he was in the army..

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  22. Great job of SFF, The IA is undoubtedly a supreme power of the world. I am sure we listen to news of hoisting our tricolour flag on Acksaichin. Saluting the bravery

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  23. Chinese troops attempt to change status quo in eastern Ladakh on the night of 29/30 August 2020 thwarted by alert Indian army.
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    According to news reports , Chinese troops , carried out provocative military movements on the southern bank of Pangong Tso Lake in eastern Ladakh on the night of 29/30 August 2020. Indian alert troops took timely appropriate measures , thwarting the attempt. While talks to settle last transgressions were continuing at army Commanders level , the present attempted transgression on the night of 29/30 August is a new provocation. This misadventure on the part of Chinese troops has obviously heightened the tension in the region. It may be added that a spurt in tension has dangerously taken place at some other locations of globe in sea on 27 to 29 August 2020. South China Sea involving China and the US and others , gas exploration in eastern Mediterranean involving mainly Greece and Turkey heightened on 28 August , some claimed incidents in Black Sea.
    And the developing worrisome scenario in aforesaid different parts of the globe looks to be corresponding to this Vedic astrology writer’s predictive alerts in article - “ Planetary configuration in August -September 2020 suggest something historic , something rare” - published at nirpakhawaaz.com on 20 July , 2020. In other words , the predictive alerts of this writer for more care and appropriate strategy in article published on 20 July 2020 are found confirmed substantially in full even to the extent of dates. The text of predictive alerts in this writer’s article published on 20 July 2020 becoming relevant to aforesaid worrisome scenario in August , 2020 reads as follows :- “ The world looks to be getting together in two separate and distinct camps. One camp claims believing in or advocating social-cum-universal sort of philosophy. The other camp appears to be one whose key theme is expansionism. Yes , these two camps look to be pitted against each other during August-September 2020 , getting drawn to something like a mini WW3 if not a full-fledged WW3………………………………………………………Planetary configuration in two months , particularly during 10 August to 10 September , suggest heightening of tension between the two camps accompanied by war-like strategies. This circumstance can pave way for big-war including mini-war or compromise -settlement. In both the situations , the dates 10 , 11 , 19 , 20 , 27 , 28 and 29 in August are closely relevant. Similarly , the dates 6 , 7 , 8 , 15 , 16 , 17 , 24 and 25 in September are also relevant”.
    http://www.nirpakhawaaz.com/2020/07/20/planetary-configuration-in-august-september-2020-suggest-something-historic-something-rare/

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  24. Be ready for a longer stand off. Action may start in October November.

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  25. Unverified reports from a few sources (both Twitter and offline) on Chushul incident:

    - 400-500 People's Liberation Army (PLA) soldiers had tried to change status quo, in dead of the night
    - Were spotted in transit by Indian sensors (Poseidon I?)
    - Indian Army(IA) rushed in. Laid ambush.
    - In 'scuffle' PLA reportedly suffered casualties. None reported from Indian side.
    - Approx 25-30 PLA Prisoner's of War (POWs) supposedly in IA custody now.
    - India has rushed reinforcements in the sector (supposedly also tanks).

    If true, this is the 2nd big loss for PLA after Galwan incident. However, some of these continue to be unverified.

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  26. Truth is always bitter. Learn to accept reality. Empty bravado will not help. You, have to use force to do so. For that, strong political will is required which, we don't see happening

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  27. Shukla says there is a counter operation but Indian authorities are keeping quiet about it. What's wrong with that. If the author reveals details of that he may be accused of letting out military secrets.

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  28. I prefer reading Bgr.Shukla's write up, it s an eye opener to what's up at Laddakh border, unlike many others, who follow a hush hush PMO line. That Black top , helmet top are on indian side of LAC and pla are sitting on it and and SFF detachment clashed and an officer is killed are never known from official source...why hide? It is good to know the reality, people anger will vent out on enemy...by hiding govt creating distrust, will lose support.Thank you Brg Shukla..keep giving us more truth on Laddakh from your source...K Dutta

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    1. Not Brigadier but Colonel, this shows how much you know about your favourite analyst

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  29. The location of "Black Top" is unclear. The map-marked "Black Top" is certainly the Chinese hold out in the 1962 Battle of Gurung Hill. It is on the Chinese side of the LAC.

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  30. Write up says helmet and black top are on Indian side of LAC and now occupied by Chinese. Map attached to same article shows both on Chinese side. Confusing.

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  31. Your Article seems you politicalizing india-China border issues, keep in mind you are Indian and you must use words with bring Indian Army's Brave soldiers attitude to protecting us and we all make all posative words which helps our Nation's people relax at there home

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  32. Your Article seems you politicalizing india-China border issues, keep in mind you are Indian and you must use words with bring Indian Army's Brave soldiers attitude to protecting us and we all make all posative words which helps our Nation's people relax at there home

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  33. Always like your unbiased reporting. thanx

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  34. The reality is china has occupied indian territory and strengthened it's hole for no return

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  35. Apparently we are now "dominating the heights" if NDTV and HT are to be believed, whereas this report says the 2 tops have already been occupied by the Chinese. Whose version are we supposed to believe?

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  36. Ajay Shuka is a paid Journalist and need to be exposed as to at whose behest he is writing such anti India articles!

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  37. India can never progress with its policy of dialogue and diplomacy with the Chinese, who do not have these in their vocabulary. India must retaliate against the invaders militarily. Other than this, the chinese will never care for talks or any other efforts.

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  38. India has captured territory this time we will kick out China leave aside lac leave aside aksai chin even from Tibet Tibet belongs to india see the size of Chinese soilders 4 feet 4 inches no motivation to fight pakistanis are very happy they think that China is beating India Pakistanis worry about ur Islam which China will kick out from your add as China is doing in case of ughiyur Muslims

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  39. Anything by Ajay has to be pessimistic n many a times anti national.

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  40. yes
    Why thus national secrets are discussed in public.
    Is it that all defence people are fools.
    Is it that this was never discussed openly after 1965 for nehru till now.
    Good that there was no internet or media or the lost govt must jave been lpst forever in 1965

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  41. Fake news. About occupied and concocted news report.

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  42. Shukla keeps on raking issues which his reliable sources croon into his ears exclusively. These however, have sweet nothing to say on actions undertaken by our forces.As perhis narrative our forces are mearley twiddling their thumbs and undertaking knee jerk reactions.Indian officials perhaps rightly keep silent on their operations to him.In name of true journalism does he have anything good to say of present govt and actions of army or is it only china done this that and we sweet.....all! With all due respect to him having served in the same army and a famous regiment we still would love to hear some unbiased reporting.

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  43. Shukla jaise logon ka dhanda kaise chalega bhai.

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  44. India soldiers should cross lime of control Deep in side Chinese area and camp until Chinese with draw

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  45. Shuklaji , getting all the updates from China straight away while sitting comfortably in a metro.😆😆 Don't disgrace the profession.

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  46. It is easy to question an Ex army man who brings vital facts bearing truth and nothing else

    which are not disclosed to the nation by the person who is accountable and answerable to the nation. Courage should be to ask those who concealed the whole intrusion and tried to divert it.

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  47. That means that India has lost more territory and you are spinning this as a win.... Furthermore, we lost more soldiers as you have mentioned. Chinese have gained territory and generals and politicians are too scared to respond.

    Let me predict a headline 20 years from now...

    PLA captures Chandni Chowk. 50 soldiers killed. Brigadier-level meeting underway to defuse tensions. China says it is on its side of LAC. India asks PLA to vacate Chandni Chowk and go back towards Rohini. Diplomatic and Political channels activated. Chinese General Fuk Yu to visit border areas.

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  48. Utter bullshit...In fact the recent skirmishes on 29/30 intervening night happened at a place called Spangur lake, shown in the map also.... Spangur lake is 4 kms east to the Chinese version of LAC.
    Dunno where from Ajai Shukla is getting his information which seems to be rubbish.

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  49. Ajai Ji: If 2 more hills are lost to PLA, then how is it balance shifting in favour of india?

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  50. The area kashmir and laddakh is not part of India.... Stupidity. Claiming the kasmiris land you are playing chess, winless chess. If Indians claims continue means loosing and looser forever

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  51. Manish has hit the nail on it's head. ऐसे दोस्त हो तो दुश्मनों की जरूरत ही नहीं

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  52. His report is misleading !
    He is a Congress stooge !

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  53. Now the time a crucial situation both of country but Indian soldiers took a gentle and wisely strong position other than PLA. It's mean that china can go back from Indian side.

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  54. As per reports on India Today TV, Helmet Top and Black Top are in India's control. This also seems to be the official government version. Which contradicts the sources quoted in this blog. I assume Ajai Shukla is right, because he has always spoken the truth on the matter of Chinese intrusions.

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    1. Really . Ajai Shukla "has always spoken the truth"..and what is your source to verify If this pathetic liar is speaking the truth..has any proof ever been presented by Ajai Shukla apart from his shadowy sources..Shukla cane off 2nd best in an India Today television debate with Abhijit Iyer Mitra who presented facts figures and Maps to disprove the lies Ajai Shukla said of the Galwan Clash in June..I suggest you do some serious independent study rather than blindly believe people who intentionally give a false narrative because their own political affiliation does not sit well with the current government..Shukla is a congres stooge

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  55. Indians don't have guts to stand up to Chinese...they are good enough only against the unarmed kashmiris and minorities. One of World's largest army has become synonymous with such cowardice.

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  56. Latest news by the Chinese govt mouth piece 'Global Times" is 90% of the Chinese people believe that this irration with India must be dealt by war not peace talks. Our govt is fooling us, & the truth about the PLA is told by the shepherds in ladakh. They used to go beyond galwan valley to graze their sheep unhindered & on returning used to rest in galwan valley, which they cannot do now. They & our soldiers know where the LAC is, meaning , over the years we have lost territory to China & the govts deny this like always. The region is rich in minerals & REMs. The PLA have been spotted even in HP & Uttarakhand very near to our border. CCP & PLA are up to something just like how the CIA report about global security mentioned 5 years ago "there's a high possibility of a limited Indochina war". Nothing to be surprised about right now.

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  57. The map shows Helmet and Black Top on the Chinese side of LAC but you say they are on the Indian side??

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  58. What is prohibiting India from taking military action against the Chinese thugs or we are going back to 1964.l presume our PM will take immediate offensive action to drive away the illicit Chinese, which is much awaited from him.
    ----- Not like What I saw from our the then PM (Mr Nehru scared of the Chinese)-----

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    1. First get your facts right about the last sino India war. It was 62 and not 64. Very strange a person is commenting on a subject without actually knowing about the dates, year and facts, so let us take this with a pinch of salt.

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  59. Manish do you think it is appropriate to discuss strategic ops publicly so that PRC and everyone can snoop in and see what India is upto ? We will come to know after its done but not when ops are in progress. Wait guys

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    1. You mean to say that PLA which is in contact on ground are waiting for our comments to know the ground situation and their army and intelligence agency is so incompetent that they have to read our comments even to know historical facts. Grow up.

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  60. Let's not give excuses to ourselves ....to divert Depsang China has taken control of Pangong south hill position which was supposed to control by us earlier and would have helped in negotiations. We are left with only option of this clash.

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  61. Let's not give excuses to ourselves ....to divert Depsang China has taken control of Pangong south hill position which was supposed to control by us earlier and would have helped in negotiations. We are left with only option of this clash.

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  62. Just for Laugh. That is the conclusion of so called narration and reliable source as mentioned in this article.

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  63. China is using its might to cross LAC at different locations. Our defence forces are less in nos. and country is not in a position to go for war. China is taking this advantage. Our troops are prepared to retaliate any agreesion by PLA but avoiding war is in our interest. Those retired army officers blaming PM and the Govt for this should remember their loyalty and integrity to our motherland. Nothing has changed, just that you want to support irresponsible opposition at this time of national crisis.

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  64. As ordinary citizen I wonder whether india is silently loosing territory . Which news to believe?. Indian Government should come out clearly. News very disturbing.

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  65. Your source are probably wrong. Recent updates revealed that Indian troops have occupied blacktop Hill and uprooted Chinese cameras and surveillance equipments.

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  66. Before 30/08/2020, I was a bit worried that the Chinese were deciding/waving whether to restore April status quo ante as they did in 1962, just to make a point; now they seem more determined than ever to stay where they are.

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  67. The language China understands well is ठोको अच्छा से! Same with Pakistan. The government must not back out now.

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  68. Col Shukla is a very experienced officer of the Armoured corps , who commanded one of the finest armoured regiments,Hodsons Horse. His in-depth knowledge in matters military and strategic affairs is vast , and people who are half baked and have scant knowledge on the subject have no right to pass judgment which has no value nor substance.

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  69. I think when he meant officials it was Un día no EAM

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  70. The news media report that Indian army took the Helmet top with no casulties but your report said Chinese took it, how come the sources be different ?! And which one is right?!🧐🧐

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  71. This time secret vikas batallion has been sent to vacate the territory. These men fighting for Indian forces are all tibetans. Since it is secret, force, we won't be able to get correct information in midea.

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  72. Ask your military leaders to read Suntzu' Art of War. It will help u understand the PLA way of thinking. They shld also be adept in Chanakya's strategies. The chinese say one thing while doing something else. We knw as we live among them.

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  73. This is another misinformation.

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  74. "PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC."

    Am I missing something? The map you have used clearly shows both those hilltops being on the Chinese side of the LAC and are even marked as such.

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  75. Either Ajay Shukla is a traitor or he is better informed than anyone else - time will tell

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  76. India is trying to play games with his naboughers which will destroy India. Settle your issues with naboughers peacefully and let this region have peace.Don't bully your small naboughers. Settle the Kashmir issue and stop killing the innocent ppl.your Army is not capable to fight all fronts.India will get damaged by its own policies.

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  77. It's high time the Indian army give the Chinese befitting thunder bolt.This is not 1962. It is definitely praise worthy that our government is not giving in to this Chinese aggression. Jail Hind!

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  78. India should refrain from escalating tensions. The general atmosphere is not conducive to such a thing

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  79. @unknown 2: I am in complete agreement with you. What is written in article is not in line with what official Indian army statement published by media article says. What is coming out is lot of scrutiny required for this article.

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  80. Shukla is a traitor and must be shot

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  81. This is a fact some Indian people are on a pay role of a country,who don't even tell the name of their dead. But every thing they say against us is highlighted by these people. And a fact for all the first force to enter eastern pakki (Bangladesh)was this special Tibet force. And the fact they threw the Chinese from hills. Everything that Chinese global time says is not correct. If you have to choose between our PM or shit lying Chinese media choose your PM.

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  82. Shukla ji ki Jai Ho .
    🌹🌹🌹🌹

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  83. Seriously situation is very bad from all the angels. Thanks for this beautiful post. To stay update with latest news from all over the world please visit Keykhabor

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  84. Folks, Ajai cannot cross an informal line drawn by GOI on commenting on what India is doing. GOI tolerates a certain amount of information being made available through non-GOI sources.

    I had the same problem when I spent 20-years in India. Five of my books were sunk by the censor (one with Sreedhar of IDSA and his brother T.N. Murthy)for no rfeason at all. DMI tried to stop "Fourth Round" even after it had been published. COAS Krishna Rao overruled, saying it was a fun scenario and there was no harm in it. Then I got into a fight with RAW because it was double crossing the Army in trying to save LTTE. At which point those who protected me suggested a little holiday to see my family. I left, never to return.

    So ajai saying we lost 2 mountain tops but bypassed Chinese to preemptively seize 3, without giving details on our op hardly means he is a traitor. He could NOT give details w/o risking unpleasant personal consequences.

    I leave to you to answer a simple question: For once in a very long time GOI did the right thing. A baby step, but they did it and we won. WHy is GOI trying to hide that?

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  85. This man is saying a total different story someone says india captured Chinese Teritory someone says Chinese took our dominant position

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  86. 20th century supposedly belongs to Asia/south Asia especially is in dire straits.... Two Asian Giants inched closer to a War.... which just not destroys them but will affect rest of the world.... both countries Ruled by authoritarians Regime.... the Future don't looks Bright....Hope Some kind of peace prevails...

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  87. "Sources say, the PLA now occupies Helmet Top, as well as a nearby feature called Black Top, both of which are on the Indian side of the LAC."

    Based on the recent news India holds both these positions. Were you wrong about this earlier? Or was this held by China before India evicted them? Can you please clarify?

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  88. The captur/occupation of Posts at mountain top is commendable . The pertinent question is how long our men can stay there? there is no road infrastructure in that area and if even 300 -400 soldiers are to be looked after a lot of stores and equipment will be required to be sent daily up. secondly the chinese can wait till winter when it will be impossible to stay on hill top and coming down is the only option.
    There is a possibility that the chinese may occupy the lower areas of the tops and thus surround them as was done in 1962, what is our srategy in that case? Hope everything is worked out well in advance.

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  89. Hhahaha ... see Shukla's frustataion here ... When china is crying, he cudn't see and whole world tells India occupied srategic position, he simply ignores ...

    He thinks he is smart but we would say as fool as an owl ...

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