tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post8711096400614285575..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Government takes note of Su-30MKI’s poor serviceabilityBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-15962611876336279122014-10-29T09:25:21.521-07:002014-10-29T09:25:21.521-07:00Recent grounding of Su-30 reminds of grounding of ...Recent grounding of Su-30 reminds of grounding of HPT-32. IAF in a hurry to close the deal for Pilatus forcibly grounded the aircraft which could well have been utilised for the basic training. One may argue that HPT-32 had engine cut issue. Very few know that all piston engine aircraft have engine cut issues. None of the fatal accidents that happened on HPT-32 ever happened because of the engine cut that was being talked of. Otherwise how is it that 400000 Hours were logged by around 2000 odd pilots over 25 years of time? It is a miracle that one fine day it becomes too much. I believe, there needs to be test of psychological states of the pilots who get involved in accidents whose cause is difficult to explain must be mandated. After all they are also human beings and fallible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-79643435113164309012014-10-27T19:42:26.658-07:002014-10-27T19:42:26.658-07:00NSR says ---
@Anonymous at 25 October 2014 19:43...NSR says --- <br /><br />@Anonymous at 25 October 2014 19:43<br /><br />Thanks for the explanation of service of fighters in IAF and HAL...<br /><br />I implore both IAF and HAL to work together for the sake of national security to create a computerized spare part and work data base so that all the fighters can be serviced in a timely manner...<br /><br />I think SU-30MKI is a formidable fighter bomber and it must be kept in good shape as it will swat many planes from far away...<br /><br />With Astra and other BVRAAMs SU-30MKI and even Mig-29 will be formidable fighter...<br /><br />I think the issues need a close examination by technical experts with IAF and HAL representatives and evolve a smooth program management plan...<br /><br />Thanks again...<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-9066189816218141852014-10-27T09:59:15.523-07:002014-10-27T09:59:15.523-07:00Why IAF is not utilising the full potential of HAL...Why IAF is not utilising the full potential of HAL?HAL is capable of manufacturing and MRO of SU-30MKI aircraft 10u0%.Without blamming eachother they should serve the tricolour in synergy.PBL as suggested by HAL will definitely enhence the serviceability of SU-30MKI aircraft.HAL has got technical expertise and is very much capable of providing end to end solutions to IAF and thereby such type of inconvenience can be minimised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-21461194983766198912014-10-27T09:57:43.900-07:002014-10-27T09:57:43.900-07:00Why IAF is not utilising the full potential of HAL...Why IAF is not utilising the full potential of HAL?HAL is capable of manufacturing and MRO of SU-30MKI aircraft 100%.Without blamming eachother they should serve the tricolour in synergy.PBL as suggested by HAL will definitely enhence the serviceability of SU-30MKI aircraft.HAL has got technical expertise and is very much capable of providing end to end solutions to IAF and thereby such type of inconvenience can be minimised.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-32408245701403372002014-10-26T10:34:15.218-07:002014-10-26T10:34:15.218-07:00with all kudos to HAL and wrath for IAF, simple do...with all kudos to HAL and wrath for IAF, simple doubt remains why HAL could'nt have a single serious customer other than IAF. why not an airbus boeing or any other aviation house collaborate seriously with out super efficient PSU. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-34449922946805066212014-10-25T18:14:35.246-07:002014-10-25T18:14:35.246-07:00Dear Sir,
The Fleets value have been worked out a...Dear Sir,<br /><br />The Fleets value have been worked out at Rs. 358 Cr per aircraft. However the aircraft were purchased on a staggered basis since last couple of years and the cost were definitely not the same. So is it correct to say that the fleets currently worth Rs. 69000 Crs ? How do you value an asset in your books? based on current market value of at purchase cost?<br /><br />Moreover the PBL issue may not be the criteria for maintaining the quality of the aircraft during manufacture. The manufacturer has to maintain the quality irrespective of the fact whether PBL is awarded to it or not. So its not correct to say that since manufacturers know they will be responsible for keeping the aircraft serviceable through its operational life, PBL will encourage quality manufacture.<br /><br />To have required spares, budget needs to be provided in the defence budget. when fleet has been acquired there should no reason to shy away from maintaining the same by having adequate spares.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-17572219473369648832014-10-25T11:57:24.714-07:002014-10-25T11:57:24.714-07:00Serviceability of front line fighter certainly is ...Serviceability of front line fighter certainly is a matter of high importance for any country. It requires joint sincere efforts by all stakeholders to address the issue. Firstly, IAF shall attempt outsourcing it's First line and second line servicing through HAL to expedite. It will enhance fleet serviceability apart from developing better understanding between the customer and supplier. And also, MoD should intervene while tackling delay in supply of few critical spares from OEM, similar to any European country where all concerned join hands to get better bargaining power. Better days will certainly be there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-65438522716232613852014-10-25T10:47:04.755-07:002014-10-25T10:47:04.755-07:00IAF and HAL should direct their efforts towards re...IAF and HAL should direct their efforts towards resolving the issue and complementing each other. For MRO activities, both may assign jobs to aircraft-wise formed teams for pin-pointed accountability. More of Research & Technology and indigenisation to be encouraged for self reliance.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-41547030954428979432014-10-25T09:58:14.609-07:002014-10-25T09:58:14.609-07:00A responsible patriotic citizens of this Nation, l...A responsible patriotic citizens of this Nation, let us introspect how good it is to debate all these in public domain. Can we not have a system where HAL-IAF headed by MoD debate and resolve all such issues and completely ban these discussions in public domainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-23664549463753771252014-10-25T07:55:27.071-07:002014-10-25T07:55:27.071-07:00Force, pressure or compulsion with a view to c...Force, pressure or compulsion with a view to conformity are both uncivilized and undemocratic. So we should select a goal which is good for the nation and fairly attainable.<br /><br />This is not the time to blame each other, in view of situations with neighboring countries, . We should all unite together to make India strong.<br /><br />HAL is always ready to serve the nation by serving IAF. Servicing of Sukhoi fleet should be in the hands of professionals like HAL, who knows in and out of the fighter air craft. New concepts like PBL should be implemented to improve serviceability.<br /><br />MOD should give firm decision like implementing PBL for Sukhoi fleet to improve serviceability and avoid accidents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-48883585560049188202014-10-25T07:13:17.978-07:002014-10-25T07:13:17.978-07:00The serviceability of IAF fleet is responsibility ...The serviceability of IAF fleet is responsibility of IAF and HAL. While IAF is responsible for 1st and 2nd line servicing, HAL is responsible for Repair and Overhaul of Aircraft and it's aggregates. As stated by Mr Shukla, 20-30% of aircraft are under 1st and 2nd line servicing by IAF, which needs to be brought down to 10% by staggered flights of the aircraft. Balance 10% should be for Repair and Overhaul by HAL, which is currently around 12%, and 10% for AOG, which is at around 12%. For AOG, while HAL has to support with spares, actual recovery is to be planned and executed by IAF. If these 3 categories are maintained at 10% each, the serviceability can be maintained at 70%, for which HAL and IAF are striving hard and working jointly.<br />While it is true that in Western countries the serviceability is recorded at around 80%, their methodology for calculation of serviceability is different. Unlike IAF, they consider Aircraft under 1st and 2nd line servicing, i.e. under periodic servicing, inspection, as aircraft available. Considering the same methodology, the serviceability of Su-30MKI stands at 55+20 = 75%.<br />Serviceability of Fighter fleet in Russia is less than that of IAF.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-67890646947697805112014-10-25T03:51:42.647-07:002014-10-25T03:51:42.647-07:00NSR says ---
India must really cleanup its act if...NSR says ---<br /><br />India must really cleanup its act if it wants to win a future war...<br /><br />SU-30MKI is a complex fighter plane to be overhauled and extreme caution needs with respect maintenance and testing to get it to the original level...<br /><br />For simple repairs and replacement of failing items, the IAF depot may be right place to do it...<br /><br />However, for complex repairs/overhauls, HAL as the manufacturer is the best place to do as they hold the knowledge of spares, manufacturing, and maintenance...<br /><br />One simple mistake will cost $100 million for India and its poor tax paying people...<br /><br />Hope that the new government takes quick action...<br /><br />Very good and timely article...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-76233894486036650542014-10-25T01:23:19.275-07:002014-10-25T01:23:19.275-07:00Sukhoi ejection issue may be "made up". ...Sukhoi ejection issue may be "made up". It is a ploy to get MMRCA. IAF remains most expensive arm of the Armed forces. they need to be controlled. What is wrong in having LCA and Sukhoi's in future ? what is the need for MMRCA ? It is a big scam and some people in IAF are going to benefit.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-62622437140612563082014-10-24T21:26:52.432-07:002014-10-24T21:26:52.432-07:00idrw.org is copying all your articles, just inform...idrw.org is copying all your articles, just informing you if you in case you don't want it <br />"http://idrw.org/?p=45747"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87597551628534001712014-10-23T22:37:43.723-07:002014-10-23T22:37:43.723-07:00IN home minstry posts of officers from paramiltary...IN home minstry posts of officers from paramiltary forces were openly auctioned for bribes and in mod in hushed tones price of promotions was conveyed to eligible candidates thorough wives jounalists , intermediateries .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-26882749894088044312014-10-23T19:40:49.170-07:002014-10-23T19:40:49.170-07:00Where would you get the serviceability rates for w...Where would you get the serviceability rates for western airforces? Any idea about Pakistan/Russia/China?<br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-15156555709091688052014-10-23T17:32:12.181-07:002014-10-23T17:32:12.181-07:00http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?p=1...http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewtopic.php?p=1739572#p1739471<br /><br />So why is it more a MOD level/GOI scre*up?<br /><br />They limited funds available to the IAF. IAF wants combat power. So the IAF which is basically attempting to maximize unit acquisitions and purchases by staggering Opex and spares requirements.<br />http://aviationweek.com/defense/indian- ... t-iaf-buys<br /><br />Quote:<br />Several major military acquisition programs are feared to be affected by the cuts. The government has allocated 2.03 trillion rupees for defense in the current fiscal year, a modest hike of just more than 5% over the last year.<br /><br />As the government scrambles to cut costs given the dismal growth rate, defense spending is one of the hardest hit areas, with the budget touching up to barely 1.79% of the country’s gross domestic product. This is a record low for India in at least three decades, with the figure dropping considerably from 3.16% of the GDP in 1987. <br /><br />But a defiant defense minister says,”Though availability of funds shall never be an issue, we need to strictly observe austerity measures circulated by the Ministry of Finance. Efforts must be made to cut down expenditure on non-core activities and avoidable ceremonial formalities.”<br /><br /><br />Its not rocket science to figure out whats been happening. IAF wants to fund more purchases. Overall budget is limited, so juggling going on between maint and capex purchase heads to "manage" things & huge expansion of Su fleet.<br /><br />Add the Russian delay in MRO facilities in India & you have the above situation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70911981338486697432014-10-23T09:39:08.701-07:002014-10-23T09:39:08.701-07:00Who,really decides the budget for maintenance ? I...Who,really decides the budget for maintenance ? IAF wil need about 3200 crore only for Su -30 . Then maybe another 5-6 000 for rest. Where is the money ? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-42637861915494094642014-10-23T03:58:20.892-07:002014-10-23T03:58:20.892-07:00In India, the Armed Forces are unfortunately put o...In India, the Armed Forces are unfortunately put on such a high pedestal of honour and quasi-worship, that its nigh impossible to criticize them. And if you do, you're branded a fool or a traitor.<br /><br />Let's face it: Some of IAF's decisions are stupid. In fact, so stupid that they seem to smell of wrong-doing.<br /><br />Not having a PBL is one such decision. Obviously, any Air Force will like to have its servicing improved -- and thereby, crash rates reduced. But the IAF being IAF, it will not do that.<br /><br />Probably, there's a bribe machinery in place to control the servicing of the fighter jets. If it goes to professional hands with guarantees, the bribes may stop.<br /><br /><b>No wonder the Tejas is not being inducted.</b>Abhimannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-23998190758035688342014-10-22T22:33:28.253-07:002014-10-22T22:33:28.253-07:00The airforce needs a 360 degrees surgery in recrui...The airforce needs a 360 degrees surgery in recruitment , training, transfers , promotions , retention , retirement , housing as salaries will now triple with 7 th pay commission and educational , physical , Iq, eq, standards of all are raised considerably . The beaten path choosen from the world war two airforce needs to be discarded and western airforces standards imbibed . The slum culture of working , living prevalent at air bases and at Hal needs special scrutiny togetheer with spurious spares bought by mod civilans basd on the L-1 quotation . price low , quality low , result more accidents .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36207723490768125712014-10-22T20:38:32.286-07:002014-10-22T20:38:32.286-07:00Well analysed. Hopefully the anti-corruption plank...Well analysed. Hopefully the anti-corruption plank on which the present Government has been elected, will bring us better and timely value for every paisa spent by the MoD, IAF, HAL and DRDO etc as well as by the HM & CPOs. Corruption has affected all, irrespective of the colour of dresses, uniforms or banners. That is how bad it has become. Hope it is the rock bottom and get only better hereafter.Dilip Sharmanoreply@blogger.com