tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post7984067180754097287..comments2024-03-29T05:44:18.835-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: A hammer blow for the military: it is the biggest loser in the 7th Pay CommissionBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-67129488114306294412015-12-14T10:55:18.389-08:002015-12-14T10:55:18.389-08:00I agree IAS officers have a biased attitude toward...I agree IAS officers have a biased attitude towards other services, but I have serious doubts over the figures you have mentioned. 30 per cent of salary of no bureaucrat in India is equal to 70000 in a month. Even the cabinet secretary, the highest civil servant, too by that ratio won't get more than 60k as hardship allowance. So that figure is certainly not correct.<br />Further I don't think any bureaucrat gets 90 different allowances. Here is a figure for reference. In Chhattisgarh, there is a counter terrorism jungle warfare college (CTJW) in Kanker district to train police personnel. An army official of rank colonel/DIG is it's commanding officer. Around 5 years back, his salary after adding all his allowances was 1.3 lakh per month. The IPS officer of rank SP(of Kanker) at that time drew around 40k as his salary. The chief secretary of Chhattisgarh drew around 1.1 or 1.2 lakhs per month at that time.<br /><br />My point is: Yes, there are problems of inter service rivalries, but it is very difficult to believe any of your figure. Allowances given to armed forces are much more than what bureaucrats get.<br />Anuragnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-8840356389562067402015-11-27T08:09:00.787-08:002015-11-27T08:09:00.787-08:00Officers in the armed forces have to go through a ...Officers in the armed forces have to go through a examination in the field of science,maths,english and general knowledge not some specialization like Sanskrit etc. Like IAS candidates take. This is not the main selection either, then they go under a thourough 5 day psychological, physical and leadership testing which is scientific in nature. Not some PErsonal interview by senior officers who have never seen you before, which is also done during the services selection board, twice let me add. Next they go through a thourough medical process no IAS babu ever goes through. The wash out rate is 68 in a batch of 70. Next the 2 passed candidates compete with thousands of selected candidates accross the country for 200-300 seats on MERIT. This known as the Merit List. Then they go to the military academies where if they dont follow the rigorous training they get weeded out. We all know the standards of NDA, IMA, NA, OTA, AFA and the curriculum of IAS academy in mussorie, which by the was founded by lt General of the Army again. The fact that no civil servant was chosen speaks volumes itself. The final and true test is when you sucessfully make it is that 21 men, some old enough to be your dad will decide whether to follow you or ensure your time in the service is extremely limited as a they will either give up their lives for you or perhaps even take your life in an 'accident'. The armed forces is replete with history of men who have died following a 19 year olds orders then say no. Competive Selection IAS guys say ?, they dont have a effing clue. They dont have a faintest clue that in the army selection in many cases a matter of life or death. So tell them they can shove that argument back up, where the sun does not shine.Jean Luc Picardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07523465808756925391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-17668699161547711132015-11-25T23:23:38.814-08:002015-11-25T23:23:38.814-08:00All who demand parity with ARMED FORCES people, ar...All who demand parity with ARMED FORCES people, are they ready to stand on border and take bullet then please yes come and equate.<br />THE IAS or the service offered NFU are receiving much higher allowances such as hard living, instructor allowance at least 5 to 8 folds to that of armed forces so where is parity.<br />Lets have parity U policy maker sit in peaceful environment than that of Soldier who is on border to give U this peace. U get treatment abroad at Govt expense which Armed forces don't. Then still demand parity with Armed forces. Ur demand of canteen vis a vis to Armed people, a good share of canteen profit goes to school Sanskriti at New Delhi managed by IAS. Where is parity. U Fly by 15 year of service as JS in business class where as Soldier is facing nature brunt at that many years of service. U make policy for who facilitate u to do so, who have no representation. Where is parity. Services have been seeking their Due as OROP and pay anomalies for more than 3 decades but not yet resolved where is PARITY.<br />So please Take what ever u want but don't defame by Ration, Canteen and Buddy system like issues. Service people even in peace station struggle to give decent stay to their family in peace station as shortage of accommodation. Where is Parity. So please for GODs shake DO NOT HIGHLIGHT WHAT FORCES GET BUT GIVE THEM THE DUES THAT LEAST THEY ARE ENTITLED FOR. DON'T PLAY WITH WORDS ON FILE BUT BE REALISTIC. TODAY U R CAPABLE to take edge privilege BECAUSE WE ARE AT BORDER.The land and encroachment litigation for service personnel is pending, with civil administration not giving any heed to their plight WE WILL CONTINUE SAFE GUARD WHETHER WE GET OUR Dues OR NOT BUT PLEASE DON'T TALK OF PARITY or Publicize ARMED FORCES HAVE AN EDGE IN PAY AND PERKS, THE STAT REFER TO ONLY 0.1 percent service people who grow due steep pryamid, Where as it is 74% for other who benefit at 15 years of service and same benefit comes to Armed service (0.1% officer) at minimum of 26 years of service to NATION, Where is Parity. A LIFE GIVER AND PROTECTOR IS ALWAYS SUPREME AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE. But don't take this as our weakness but it is our Humility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-72476484913542088312015-11-25T15:44:03.293-08:002015-11-25T15:44:03.293-08:00Very informative... Thanks for sharingVery informative... Thanks for sharingParijat Punjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01781810944245497863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-17662736571540433272015-11-25T08:23:01.688-08:002015-11-25T08:23:01.688-08:00Why do they call in the Army and the Air force whe...Why do they call in the Army and the Air force when natural disasters and internal disorders demand. What is the IAF and IPS officers doing about it..Go on leave..Its time for the military to not demand or expect but to TAKE what is rightfully and legally theirs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81529532160167842292015-11-25T06:14:33.936-08:002015-11-25T06:14:33.936-08:00Relevant issues brought out in the article but i t...Relevant issues brought out in the article but i think we rather deserve it since probably we dont have it in us to even question it forget about rejection.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07721244720063237285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-71699660148777980562015-11-25T01:05:46.898-08:002015-11-25T01:05:46.898-08:00sir, should the title be 'the only loser by a ...sir, should the title be 'the only loser by a big margin' rather than the biggest looser. do not find anyone else loosing anything. <br /><br />orop for defence. large no of intellectuals had their field day agaisnt rs 8300 crore after 40 years before acceptance. finally it is much diluted which may not even cost 8300 crore.<br /><br />do not find anyone shouting on the roof top when 7cpc has recommended it for everyone. not even one... this is the state.<br /><br />msp not to be counted for hra and transfer grant but nfu is counted. strange but true.<br />CAPF get detachment allownace or some name similar to it but defence is denied with reason that defence people moves with headquarters as if capf people move individually or company moves without company headquarter.<br /><br />it is cpc but in effect it is committee of secretaries like organisation which gives its own logic (or illogic) for everything. wonder what the discussion with the representatives of defence was all about if basic issues are not comprehended in the manner these should be..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-4811492579259907902015-11-24T22:59:26.374-08:002015-11-24T22:59:26.374-08:00As I have worked closely with army men, I have ind...As I have worked closely with army men, I have indepth knowledge with respect to their honesty, sincerity, integrity, principles, ethics and values.<br />Hence, I am in complete agreement with the 7th pay commission recommendations.<br />More over as per your article Mr Vivek Rae, former I.A.S officer has rightly pointed out that Indian in Indian Civil Services, officers “occupy the commanding heights of the civil service structure not through patronage, but through a highly competitive and transparent selection process.” <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-65229511632151874602015-11-24T18:01:35.828-08:002015-11-24T18:01:35.828-08:00If the service chiefs have any concern and respons...If the service chiefs have any concern and responsibility towards their men. They must reject this mockery of a pay commission OUTRIGHT. <br /><br />The military must also insist on seniority over other services on national security grounds. A corps commander must be able to arrest and convict any govt employee who fails to obey a direct legal military order concerning military operations and national security. In the day and age of proxy wars. This requirement is absolutely essential. National security comes first. Jean Luc Picardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07523465808756925391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36822713306410219252015-11-24T17:35:47.568-08:002015-11-24T17:35:47.568-08:00I have been reading the comments that the military...I have been reading the comments that the military leadership must reject the recommendations,... If only there was a military leadership... This would not have been the fate of the defence forces.. Spineless. And it's time that this crap of izzat and not the money stand must go.....no one in this country cares for anybodies izzat for that matter.. We surely are heading down rather than looking up.. sureshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05967680256078515832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-49864430663336038042015-11-24T12:20:53.451-08:002015-11-24T12:20:53.451-08:00The report related to defence persons is prepared ...The report related to defence persons is prepared in a manner to prove that they are being paid more and has been related to the strain on economy of the country. whereas the same has not been applied to others. The figures , graphs are all ill conceived with no rational. Military service pay has been quoted at several places bu it has not been clarified that it does not count for the yearly increments neither it is raised by 25% when DA reaches 50%.In all analysis the defence persons have been made a separate category wheras when showin the summary of expenditure in pensions the defence civillians have been included in the defece pensioners to inflate the burden on govt. The cpc is like an audit on where to cut the pay and allowacers of defence persons and use the defence pay to give rise to others.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-26360182260996333792015-11-24T12:16:05.382-08:002015-11-24T12:16:05.382-08:00Y does it always happen that armed forces are alwa...Y does it always happen that armed forces are always left wanting for more...why is this injustice done every time..why is that the government wants bold steps from them to make a point. Why ..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-85436672950952651912015-11-24T08:20:57.175-08:002015-11-24T08:20:57.175-08:007 CPC comprised Hon'ble Judge, miserly economi...7 CPC comprised Hon'ble Judge, miserly economist and super babu .. they should have been taken to Siachen and North Sikkim, Barmer n Jaisalmer (put inside a tank when outside temp is 48-50 degrees), taken to A&N on a choppy sea conditions, NE States in July-Aug, patrol/ ambush site along LC/ LOC .. but instead they chose the BEST months<br />to visit some scenic places and our Sr Cdrs extended them the courtesies of 7** VIPs and definitely Guwahati is more dangerous than "any of the places described above" !! Till it is understood that political control over Military in a democracy is NOT babu control over military (which is the reality here) things will not improve. And if military is continuing to be treated shabbily in this manner, please don't blame a MAD soldier who runs amuck some day ... sorting out justice as he perceives .. please do not take them for granted .. it will be at your cost n risk ..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-60133271594923560582015-11-24T08:10:31.919-08:002015-11-24T08:10:31.919-08:00It is good who ever is given hike at times some ma...It is good who ever is given hike at times some may feel left out some may like to equate parity. But REMEMBER ONE NEVER EQUATE WITH WHO STAND FOR U. IF THEY ARE NOT THERE THEN HOW WILL ANY ONE MAKE POLICY. WITH WHOM WILL U EQUATE. HOW WILL U DRAW MORE. IN REALITY U WILL BE SLAVE TO SOME ONE AND MASTER WILL DOMINATE. SO PLEASE WAKE UP AND LETS HAVE EQUALITY IN EVERY ASPECT WITH SOLDIERS BE READY TO STAND ON BORDER AND TAKE BULLET ON CHEST TO PROTECT NATION'S PRIDE. ELSE GIVE THEM THEIR DUES.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1986423932973058712015-11-24T06:50:09.581-08:002015-11-24T06:50:09.581-08:00Fairly accurate assessment. Some inaccuracies , pr...Fairly accurate assessment. Some inaccuracies , prior to 3rd CPC Defence members were part of Departmental Committees on pay and allowances and not members of first or second pay commission. Secondly, Defence Forces are not AIS ( though they serve all over India and indeed the world), the connotation is services shared commonly by the centre and state ( see Art 309 &Art 312 of constitution. Thirdly IFS has always had parity with IAS in increments , it is the other two (IPS & IFoS) that have been scaled up. Fourthly the reason for discrepancy in Risk and HArdship ALLce is because while Defence Allces have been put in Risk And HArdship matrix the 7th CPC has conveniently not put SDA (30% of Basic Pay for AIS ), Deputation Allce ,SPG Allce -40% of Basic Pay, Special/ Investigation Allce(20% of Basic Pay), RAF (CRPF)-10% of Basic Pay on thr Risk and Hardship matrix. In effect while fauji allowances have been given to everyone, everyone also retains their own allces. Hence not only IPS and IFoS even CAPFS better placeanonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03457508402356983243noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-30704818672317094522015-11-24T05:56:50.992-08:002015-11-24T05:56:50.992-08:00I don't think services can do much about it. T...I don't think services can do much about it. The dice is loaded too heavily against them. Just be patriotic and tell all youth about the realities of the service. Some of them still get impressed by the 'company car' ads and the clubs, polo event etc. We are clearly seeing the demise of a good institution of India. But it is India's problem, not that of the services. Just laugh it off and look for other pastures. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09121677855050308582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-15719270803510462822015-11-24T03:13:14.983-08:002015-11-24T03:13:14.983-08:00The IAS Officers no doubt make contribution but wh...The IAS Officers no doubt make contribution but when they declare themselves superior to the others, it reminds me to "Pigs in Animal Farm".<br /><br />The pigs shows interest in the strength of Animal Farm itself, only in the strength of their power over it and for their own good. I would like to understand, how are IAS officers different that the pigs from Animal Farm.<br />Rohitnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-50183855750249939782015-11-24T02:49:10.722-08:002015-11-24T02:49:10.722-08:00A complex issue but here is my 10 paise - Hardship...A complex issue but here is my 10 paise - Hardship allowance should be based on the hardship of a location rather than the post of the person. Any posting based in Guwahati for example deserves the same money whether it is IAS, Army, Air force or whatever. And in general miltary posts are by nature "outside", rather than "inside". No IAS officer can survive Kargil in January, but the miltary doesn't have an option there...<br /><br />When our committee's are so corrupted, what hope is there for the common man....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36659483145643795972015-11-24T02:30:48.945-08:002015-11-24T02:30:48.945-08:00how many ias officers in guwahati earn 2,10,000/- ...how many ias officers in guwahati earn 2,10,000/- per month, to draw 70000 as allowance ?<br />are these figures correct ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-76130584136122356132015-11-24T01:26:01.921-08:002015-11-24T01:26:01.921-08:00Time for Military leadership to out-rightly reject...Time for Military leadership to out-rightly reject the recommendations of the &CPC and refuse to implement any of the provisions if govt chooses to ignore the reservations expressed by Military.<br />But "DO THEY HAVE IT IN THEM" ?Sailorboyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00627379887120477224noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36339517691057468522015-11-23T23:55:41.654-08:002015-11-23T23:55:41.654-08:00Shocking! The military must reject the recommendat...Shocking! The military must reject the recommendations of the 7th CPC in toto. It is a matter of shame for these proud defenders that their status and remuneration are both being degraded severely at the cost of other corrupt and comfortable Gp A servicesGoofyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00554034881002801829noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-66698591060368742572015-11-23T23:35:09.336-08:002015-11-23T23:35:09.336-08:00IAS official posted in Guwahati will draw Rs 70,00...IAS official posted in Guwahati will draw Rs 70,000 per month as “hardship allowance”, compared to Rs 31,500 per month drawn by military officers in Siachen.<br /> <br />Did those Civilian officials who passed these amounts visit Siachen Glacier and live there for at least 1 day in winter when the temperature is -50 degrees and they have to come out of their tents and walk for miles where every 10 steps they have to wait to catch a breath due to thin air with less oxygen, to collect their food packets dropped by parachutes under pakistani live fire where even bacteria does not survive in nature due to cold and people are burried under avalanches and inside crevices ? Compared to that its heaven living in Guwahati where millions of people also live happily. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-82499796203356139842015-11-23T21:59:18.664-08:002015-11-23T21:59:18.664-08:00What about the disability pension sir. That is ab...What about the disability pension sir. That is absolute degradation of Military officers by putting them in slab system.<br />Someone who gets 17000 earlier + DA, will now get Rs 13500 + nil DA. Instead of enhancing it has been degraded.<br />Imagine a disabled soldier from Siachen, what will be his feelings for being cheated with these kind of recommendations.Dr Vasanthhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00264763983035083426noreply@blogger.com