tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post6962549800542122254..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Lahore-namaBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-75763536178717255932013-01-22T23:01:44.050-08:002013-01-22T23:01:44.050-08:00Friedship of India and Pakistan is a faveriot drea...Friedship of India and Pakistan is a faveriot dream of "Aman ke Asha" by both countries it may countinue with zeal and patriotic Passion all delegation are welcomed with open heart and Houses gates are also unlocked for thier satisfactory stay in Places peace and comfort.Islamabad Guest Househttp://le-royal1.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-32723812506477515672012-11-25T10:42:17.969-08:002012-11-25T10:42:17.969-08:00Col.Shukla,
The idea of changing relations between...Col.Shukla,<br />The idea of changing relations between India and Pakistan (on the face of it) seems to be great. But that is a path that one must tread very carefully in fact.<br />Please do not lose sight of the fact that Gen.Kiyani and GHQ are under intense pressure from many quarters now, Ghiyari was just a very small part of that. Shuja Nawaz will be able to attest to that as well. So, all said and done; Kiyani needs some forward movement on Siachen to douse some of the heat below his "sitting apparatus". <br />Should India oblige? Not just yet; the time is not right now. Maybe one would be better advised to wait out some time: since major changes are due in the neighborhood to the west. A (possible) change of Govt., Kiyani's handing over of his baton and the pull-out from Afghanistan- all of them are impending and will impact the scenario.<br />As a frequent visitor to Pakistan in the 1990s, i can see a lot of changes until now. Its very important that India plays it cool, 'chai-biskoot meetings' along with hearty helpings of biryani is good enough. <br />Better to stick to "Lahore-Nama" for now; a while yet for any "Akhir-Nama" to be written.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-62310947464178046332012-11-03T10:26:53.865-07:002012-11-03T10:26:53.865-07:00Dear Colonel Shukla,
That is a very nice article....Dear Colonel Shukla,<br /><br />That is a very nice article.<br /><br />Predictably the proposal has been poorly received in India. I fear that the Kejriwal culture that holds sway is making it dfficult for even sane voices to articulate the criticism properly. <br /><br />While some people are reacting (imo over-reacting) to the presumptuous wording - "nonwithstanding the claims of either country" - I think the bulk of the opposition to the proposal is essentially rooted in a belief that the Pakistan Army is not serious about delineating the AGPL and that it is using this track II process to buy time until it can recover from the destruction at Ghyari. <br /><br />As I see it - Pakistani thinking in Saltoro range - is constrained heavily by three things.<br /><br />Firstly, the operational limitations of the PAF in Skardu, specifically: <br /><br /> - the inability of mount close air support from Skardu without a/a refueling - the runway is not long enough for a fully loaded combat craft to take flight and have a usable patrol radius. <br /><br /> - the inability to maintain such operations in adverse weather conditions.<br /><br /> - the small numbers of cargo craft that can be detailed at short notice to logistical operations. <br /><br />Secondly, the delay in reliable deployment of a long range howitzer platform in the region. This is is due in part to the fact that the Panter and the Norinco SH1 systems were not designed to operate at high altitude and also because it is not easy to drag these things up there without incurring significant costs. <br /><br />Thirdly, the unexpected loss of Ghyari. Unless this lost capability can be re-established, there is a very high likelihood that the Pakistani posture in the middle of Saltoro range is completely unsustainable. <br /><br />Neither of these issues can resolve easily or quickly. <br /><br />It is natural at this point that the Pakistan Army push the pause button and hope that they buy enough time to come up with something that can somehow contain this steady bleeding.<br /><br />I know that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh is genuine in his desire for peace in the region. I do not know whether any architecture of peace will survive contact with the culture of command irresponsibility that pervades FCNA. <br /><br />maverickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11716063979952282764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-57876341994097743232012-10-28T02:22:54.222-07:002012-10-28T02:22:54.222-07:00OCTOBER 26, 2012: "Indian, American navies ...OCTOBER 26, 2012: "Indian, American navies carrying out joint drill : For the first time, navies of India and the US are carrying out joint drill to save sailors stuck in submarines during mid-sea mishaps off the coast of Mumbai in an exercise codenamed INDIAEX 2012 [PTI, October 26, 2012]".<br /><br />I had objected to the agreement for U.S. help for submarine rescue, on the grounds below, in the past which may have been responsible for the "huge delay in setting up the requisite infrastructure needed for it. [Times of India, October 26, 2012] "<br /><br />The essence of submarine operations is keeping their locations secret; the above "joint drill" gives ample opportunities to the Americans to get acoustic and other signatures of Indian submarines and put devices on them to be able to track them and this is the purpose of this "joint drill" -- to render Indian submarines worthless and subject to destruction by the Americans at any time and deprive India of any ability to use submarine-based nuclear weapons. The Indian army, air force and navy are already subject to being disabled and destroyed by the Americans in other ways I have described (such as in 'Indian Air Force Pilots' Murder' : IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom ) and this adds another modality to it which will persist beyond the nuclear destruction of New Delhi and of RAW and the traitor army, air force and navy chiefs, etc. The coast-to-coast destruction of the United States that will follow the nuclear destruction of New Delhi, Washington and New York will require all the platforms India can bring to the task and the sabotage of these platforms will stop with the destruction of New Delhi, Washington and New York; till then the Indian and American governments will continue to race to destroy India's weapons platforms.<br /><br />OCTOBER 19, 2012: Niggers of the Indian media, such as NDTV, are covering the U.S. presidential debates as if it is the president of India who is being elected. Uninterrupted coverage of the one and a half hour long debate plus an hour before the start of the debate and an hour after the debate ended and the whole performance repeated over and over with endless analyses of the minutiae of the issues and styles and likes and dislikes and what not -- boy, these niggers really know who their masters are but shouldn't they be covering the Indian who is going to carry out the coast-to-coast destruction of this number one enemy country, instead (see below)? Well, they wouldn't be nigger slaves -- millions of whom will be killed in the nuclear destruction of New Delhi -- if they had this much sense. As I have said below, India's media, government and citizenry at large are willing participants in CIA-RAW's crimes against me and against India and deserve to be killed in their billions. IndiasTraitorGovtAndMediaDOTblogspotDOTcom<br /><br />Satish Chandra<br />Satish Chandrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11371419338559231779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81777633328712856482012-10-17T02:23:47.583-07:002012-10-17T02:23:47.583-07:00Shukla - aman ki asha, shirf asha hi rahegi, Kyo k...Shukla - aman ki asha, shirf asha hi rahegi, Kyo ki Pakistan ki neeyat kharab hai. <br /><br />You visited Lahore, should have got head of Hafeez Saeed instead of tasting Prawn soup. Those 160 souls did not deserve to die. Pakistan is revenge state. For Bangladesh we got Punjab, for Samjhauta Express we got 26/11. Recently, Police says that Pakistan duo are responsible for Zaveri Bazar and Pune blast.<br /><br />Shukla just because TOI is promoting this, why are you involved in this? This is non-military and outright pure silly. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-82998835521105266862012-10-16T11:33:22.676-07:002012-10-16T11:33:22.676-07:00I was speaking to this firangi person about india-...I was speaking to this firangi person about india-pakistan identity politics. He is well read on world history and ancient wars. In our discussion, he described the pakistani state as a "mamluk" formation with a mission. I googled what that word meant and my mind just exploded.<br /><br />Anyway, for others who don't know what a mamluk is: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MamlukSachinWRTnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-80783949175275512272012-10-16T09:26:50.411-07:002012-10-16T09:26:50.411-07:00Well, I am sure you would realise how treacherous ...Well, I am sure you would realise how treacherous these guys can be....having donned the battle greens ,I know you really wouldn't be mesmerised by the evil state that exists in our neighbourhood . Frankly did you ask the taxi driver about Mumbai? I would love to hear his thoughts<br />On the events :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-76289937291891859542012-10-15T15:23:17.864-07:002012-10-15T15:23:17.864-07:00Mr. Shukla,
Excellent article, if one considers it...Mr. Shukla,<br />Excellent article, if one considers it just a travelogue. Perhaps you should consider spending a serious amount of time in Pakistan and write a book on it - a la Rory Stewart. Too much blood has been spilt and there's too much alienation for any Indian to believe any narrative recited by Pakistanis. But written by someone like you, resulting from actual on-the-ground experiences and reports - that's another matter. I would pay a decent amount to read something like that and I imagine others would as well. But I hope you keep it objective and provide context, rather than just play devil's advocate. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-61310116113664216132012-10-15T11:01:34.781-07:002012-10-15T11:01:34.781-07:00When it comes to dealing with Pakistan FORGET sent...When it comes to dealing with Pakistan FORGET sentimentality and emotions.<br /><br />A guy like Afridi made his money from the IPL,earned goodwill in India.<br /><br /> But one rebuff from us post Mumbai attacks leads him to declare,'hinduon(Indian for me)ka dil chota hota hai.'<br /><br />These guys will manufacture their own version of history,link their roots to Central Asia,try to be more Arab than Arabs themselves.<br /><br />N number of reasons will be given,why they are justified in continued animosity to us and how deceiving us(kafirs!!!!???) is permitted under Islam.<br /><br />FORGET good relations.<br />Talk to them,but keep that weapon cocked,the bomb primed and the boilers running.<br /><br />ALWAYS!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-38574307433941995922012-10-15T10:27:11.413-07:002012-10-15T10:27:11.413-07:00@Broadsword
seriously,how does it feel when all of...@Broadsword<br />seriously,how does it feel when all of the sudden all your audience turns against you for the piece of article you have written?<br /><br />seriously.....please...seriously,stop giving us false ideas or dreams.<br />tis is a utter disgustful state on the planet.they can never have a civilized rational thought.i rather prefer going to some African states than to be in this failed Islamic state Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-67549593560188055482012-10-15T07:59:56.975-07:002012-10-15T07:59:56.975-07:00@ Joydeep Ghosh
Ahmed Shah Abdali was Ahmed Shah ...@ Joydeep Ghosh<br /><br />Ahmed Shah Abdali was Ahmed Shah Durrani. They are one and the same person. <br /><br />Read Wikipedia on "Durrani" please.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-40275613685065712542012-10-15T05:40:20.544-07:002012-10-15T05:40:20.544-07:00Lonley planet guideLonley planet guideAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70364366841064293882012-10-15T05:25:27.511-07:002012-10-15T05:25:27.511-07:00Unka namak kha liya to apne watan se namak-harami ...Unka namak kha liya to apne watan se namak-harami mat karna. Too much blood has been spilled for us to forget who exactly we are dealing with. <br /><br />Good that you are part of the 'Track 2' diplomacy otherwise we soon shall be celebrating Siachen as a 'Mountain of Peace' Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10875044516017454542012-10-15T03:41:53.157-07:002012-10-15T03:41:53.157-07:00@ajai sir
a small correction
its Ahmed Shah Abda...@ajai sir<br /><br />a small correction<br /><br />its Ahmed Shah Abdali and not Ahmed Shah Durrani<br /><br />thanks<br /><br />Joydeep Ghosh joydeep ghoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00038225081192821456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68705929278564777672012-10-14T22:59:08.054-07:002012-10-14T22:59:08.054-07:00Hello Col. Shukla,
Thanks a lot for this fine por...Hello Col. Shukla,<br /><br />Thanks a lot for this fine portrayal of Lahore.<br />However, I shall like to make a small correction where you say that Zamzama is the biggest cannon forged in the sub-continent. I used to think that it is Jaivana which is housed at Jaigarh fort, near Jaipur. I think Zamzama may have the distinction of the biggest cannon used in any battle because Jaivana was fired only once.Rajarshihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00949837409466343426noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-43442598839997881662012-10-14T22:47:08.476-07:002012-10-14T22:47:08.476-07:00With all due respect, till Mrs Shukla's genera...With all due respect, till Mrs Shukla's generation (fed on stories of Lahore and Punjabiyat) becomes irrelevant, we will not be able to deal with a firm hand with Pakistan. Punjabis and UPites tend to get maudlin with sentimality whenever dealing with Pakistanis, and India pays the price, as and when the Pakistani establishment ditches the fake veneer of hospitality and resorts to the usual anti-Indian anticsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1043394438247842862012-10-14T21:54:12.539-07:002012-10-14T21:54:12.539-07:00Couple of examples, documented in India Today from...Couple of examples, documented in India Today from the 80s..what to talk of common Pakistani, when someone like Imran Khan, even before he turned into his current 'Taliban Lite' avatar ..sorry rooh :<br />- Even while he was feted by the Godrejs, and dined at Trishna in Mumbai, i.e. was not some 'jaahil' selling sabzi in Lahore - he would claim 'Pathans have been coming to India since ages to take away their women'.<br />- Indian cricketers and movie stars raised tons of money for him when he was raising his Cancer hospital - but he never acknowledged it.<br />- the JN Dixit dinner saga of a Pakistani child shouting 'Hindu kutta' when he went to their home for dinner only shows what contempt they hold for us.<br /><br />Lastly, we don't get mushy over neighbors who have, by and large done no harm to us e.g. Nepal, Sri Lanka, then why be so emotional over Pakistan..? Shikharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09522657788214853389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-83493629006809527112012-10-14T21:27:15.258-07:002012-10-14T21:27:15.258-07:00They can gladly indulge in 'jhappi-pappi' ...They can gladly indulge in 'jhappi-pappi' and backstab at the same time.. If you recall :<br />(1) Zia's cricket diplomacy at the height of Punjab crisis<br />(2) Benazir's summit with Rajiv at their Daman-e-Koh resort before Kashmir went up<br />(3) Bhangras before Bus diplomacy before Kargil <br />(4) Zardari's MFN trial ballooon as Messrs. Kasab were preparing...<br /><br />It's like saying the Germans from 19th century would bake excellent Apple strudel and brew great beer, so how can such a nation wage wars.<br /><br />Only time will tell over decades, how worthy their intentions are.Shikharhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09522657788214853389noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-49568223980744500182012-10-14T12:36:48.793-07:002012-10-14T12:36:48.793-07:00Ear their prawns, drink their bootleg whisky, smil...Ear their prawns, drink their bootleg whisky, smile....and keep your counsel. That is the only way to retaining your integrity. The Pakistan establishment is double-faced to the core. They will feed you and slit your throat, all in the same transaction.<br /><br />---SRCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-51195194961884752362012-10-14T09:16:47.179-07:002012-10-14T09:16:47.179-07:00http://dawn.com/2012/10/14/smokers-corner-by-the-b...http://dawn.com/2012/10/14/smokers-corner-by-the-book/<br /><br />read this!it defines the state of Pakistan more better and more clearly.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81393343728350240152012-10-14T05:32:31.891-07:002012-10-14T05:32:31.891-07:00Good article. Hope your next trip there when it be...Good article. Hope your next trip there when it becomes part of India.Mr. RAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10393630306765196252012-10-14T04:11:59.957-07:002012-10-14T04:11:59.957-07:00Delighted to read the blog. We have to repeat this...Delighted to read the blog. We have to repeat this trip again and again!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09356762626584998124noreply@blogger.com