tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post5876785593783273191..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Israeli radar means Tejas won’t have Meteor missileBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-67449243324659875822021-05-02T22:33:20.176-07:002021-05-02T22:33:20.176-07:00I derby er and meteor missiles are the most techno...I derby er and meteor missiles are the most technological advance missiles in the market right now. Regarding i derby er range its classified, it's said to be around 160km to 180km.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16082854889254343138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-86484511105479709582021-02-02T00:52:01.935-08:002021-02-02T00:52:01.935-08:00As the Grench proverb says, by wanting the butter,...As the Grench proverb says, by wanting the butter, the money of the butter and the butt of the dairy woman, you just end getting nothing! So it also goes when you trick all players into playing each against the other thru secret alliances: in the end, your shenanigans end understood, then everybody turns against you (see. Pak or Turkey about it). The French are offering a non-zero-sum game where both sides will benefit from the teaming. Just look what India gained: just the ability to test thermonuclear warheads validity w.o. doing blasts that would end w. US+UN sanctions. The laser Mégajoule is an €2.5bn facility... Just have companies like Dassault and Safran becoming bi-national and it's a win-win for both nations... Now look at how the Thales Group is fit! 26.4%=French state, 25.3%=Dassault Aviation, 2%=employees and 46.3% is float. It's the 8th biggest defence contractor. Whatabout India purchasing about 25-26% of the shares? 27.4% of Dassault Aviation shares are float and 9.9% belong to Airbus... Slowly but surely purchasing at least the quarter of Dassault Aviation would be VERY clever for Indian govt. 51.8% of Dassault Systèmes is float as well as 61% of Safran. Just have Indian state sitting at the board, at the same time, put 39% of HAL shares as float, maybe Dassault would be willing to become 2nd shareholder and HAL needs serious reforms so... Proceed this way then you get these becoming really bi-national and India+France create an Airbus of defence!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-72008648342823578762021-02-01T23:54:26.213-08:002021-02-01T23:54:26.213-08:00Not a little over. When French senate was told &qu...Not a little over. When French senate was told "in excess of 200km" for the SCALP-EG, SCALP-EG happened to range 560km. Meteor is 10kg heavier than an AIM-160D ranging 160-180km, Ramjets are way more efficient than rocket engines which burn their fuel in 5sec and go ballistic, with ramjet, you can give multiple of such impulses and even keep fuel for interception. 250km is more than feasible with a ramjet, maybe even more!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-809424807762753442021-02-01T23:49:25.106-08:002021-02-01T23:49:25.106-08:00sohamm: oh, just PL-15/PL-21 and KJ-7A on JF-17......sohamm: oh, just PL-15/PL-21 and KJ-7A on JF-17... Meteor outguns it all moreover, Thales also can provide active stealth to Tejas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-41696147616466981022021-02-01T23:45:54.183-08:002021-02-01T23:45:54.183-08:00Mk2 is nor ready, not even a demonstrator has been...Mk2 is nor ready, not even a demonstrator has been flown and it takes at best 14 years between a demonstrator and an IOC aircraft.<br />Mk1 can be made more effective than Mirage-2000 or MiG-35 by fitting the 98kN M88-4 which, being smaller than F404/414, would allow as much internal fuel as Mirage-2000, moreover, the annual cost would be lowered t $2.9M/unit while Mk2 would cost $5.75M/year. Everything needed has been tested+approved by DRDO incl. the RBE2/AESA!<br />HAL has been told by IAF they want the Meteor on Tejas, and ordered the cheapest AESA on market that can't manage the Meteor. I agree that the i-Derby-ER is also cheaper than the Meteor, but ir won't shoot down aircraft at 200km or more too, it equals AMRAAM not Meteor!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-40429082663745705872021-02-01T23:36:41.184-08:002021-02-01T23:36:41.184-08:00Selex is Italian. MBSA is not willing to integrate...Selex is Italian. MBSA is not willing to integrate its family jewel to Israeli radars because IAI is ready to sell to whoever pays, including China! Hey, hadn't it been for US pressuren they were about to equip the KJ-2000 AWACS with Israeli radars, the J-10 is nothing else than the IAI Lavi. Mark my words, if Pak stops with antisemitism, they will sell arms to them too, During the 1st Gulf War, Israel was even the #1 supplier for the Khomeini regime. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-90821283350760092162021-02-01T15:33:28.711-08:002021-02-01T15:33:28.711-08:00A reorganized version of Thales RBE-2/AESA has bee...A reorganized version of Thales RBE-2/AESA has been flight tested on Tejas Mk.1 and approved by DRDO. If the ones taking the decisions were really professionals, Tejas Mk1/1A would also get the 98kN version of the M88 engine: the M88 is much smaller,taking half the volume of GE F404/414 while being as powerful as the F414, it would allow to stuff as much fuel in Tejas Mk1 as ARDC want to stuff in Mk2 while 1.5-1.75 tons lighter! It will take 10-15 years to make the Mk2 since it's another aircraft while by keeping the Mk1 flight profile, all that you need is to validate the mods!And what would Mk2 be? Just another Mirage-2000/Gripen-E... Great! Hadn't India changed its mind dropping the tender for 150 Mirage-2000, such an aircraft would be built in India for more than 40 years!<br />Are you talking about the same professionals who took 11 years to decide on Rafale for a tender of 126 aircraft, then spent 5 more years to order 36 units... Oh, yeah, due to French laws suing them for abroad baksheesh, the French companies don't come with big brown envelopes! By always going to the lowest bidder, you get what you pay for! Don't bother to complain when JF-17 will outgun Tejas with PL-15 or PL-21...<br />Oh, BTW, Tejas would also need Thales OSF-IT to bust J-20, as well as Rafale's active stealth, and these so-called professionals don't care: C.Michel offers more kickbacks.... Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-20187725023452076082020-05-27T23:43:29.887-07:002020-05-27T23:43:29.887-07:00Correct 🙏🏼Correct 🙏🏼SOVAN ROY PhD. https://www.blogger.com/profile/08618500821327691707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-48509750793880355652018-12-14T20:29:11.660-08:002018-12-14T20:29:11.660-08:00Agree with you fully. Make in India Meteor class A...Agree with you fully. Make in India Meteor class AAM is the need of the day.Satishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10797568358044088320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-79971805534523598842018-12-13T23:15:45.970-08:002018-12-13T23:15:45.970-08:00This is how strawmen are created. Much ado over no...This is how strawmen are created. Much ado over nothing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-7478456339158680082018-12-11T19:59:30.140-08:002018-12-11T19:59:30.140-08:00NSR says ---
This project acquisition looks more ...NSR says ---<br /><br />This project acquisition looks more like going with Russian Igla close range missile deal...<br /><br />Naturally, the French and Swedish systems will be more expensive and will come with caveat that India will be unable to absorb the technology for TOT … i.e. screw drive jobs...<br /><br />On the other hand, Israelis are not that generous either with the Barak missile system LRSAM MRSAM, etc <br /><br />However, India will get them quickly for Jaguars and Tejas-IA quickly from Israel or from Indian produced... I hope that they do full TOT so India can produce and maintain...<br /><br />May be India will get a spare fighter from IAF to test Utaam and accelerate the path forward... No choice...<br /><br />Very tough choices for India in many areas...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-4177967877891156852018-12-11T02:05:35.907-08:002018-12-11T02:05:35.907-08:00IN WHICH alternate universe Meteor missile comes w...IN WHICH alternate universe Meteor missile comes with 250 km range ? its little over 100 Km.<br /><br />also many other alternative like : Derby ER or even the Stunner !!! ( with 300Km range) can be integrated with 2052 AESA. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84407904501136142712018-12-10T21:15:17.231-08:002018-12-10T21:15:17.231-08:00In about a decade every frontline fighter in IAF w...In about a decade every frontline fighter in IAF will have an option to be equipped with derivatives of current UTTAM and Meteor like AAM presently named SDFR.<br /><br />So how can anyone be condemed, let alone Tejas family? In fact flexibility that Tejas family brings is unprecedented in IAF.Rahulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-2261228018918239192018-12-10T15:57:34.313-08:002018-12-10T15:57:34.313-08:00This is too simplistic and didn't expect this ...This is too simplistic and didn't expect this short-sighted piece from shuklaji. I don't see any reason why Tejas can't survive without Meteor, infact ELTA's radar could be integrated to many including R77, Derby, ASTRA and even AIM-120. There is no dearth of missiles and in fact I would argue that we should not even consider Meteor since we should be using ASTRA. <br /><br />sohamnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11099069898006150521noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-91245319751038919452018-12-10T14:07:40.324-08:002018-12-10T14:07:40.324-08:00Tejas 1A is only a stop-gap. It has many shortcomi...Tejas 1A is only a stop-gap. It has many shortcomings such as limited range and being underpowered. Its main utility seems to be to keep the Tejas program alive, host the development of indigenous systems and maintain a minimum squadron strength in the IAF as the MiG21s retire, and until the (hopefully) much more capable Tejas Mk 2 is ready and can be produced in large numbers. <br /><br />Maybe the IAF thought that spending vast sums on a European radar and Meteor missile may not be worth the expense on the Tejas 1A. Also, it is unlikely that the Europeans would divulge much information on their AESA radar .... whereas the Israeli radar, developed for the IAF, along with the ongoing cooperation in missiles between Israel and India would perhaps allow greater technology accretion to HAL. <br /><br />I would be happier if the IAF (notwithstanding the political shenanigans) pushed strongly for at least 2 more Rafale squadrons. The main thing with Tejas is to accelerate the development of the Mk 2 and to induct it in large numbers as a lower-cost, lower-capability (but adequate) fighter that can more than match the Pakistan AF and the bulk of the PLAAF's fighter line up. For the higher end of the threat spectrum we have the Rafale.Ajay Singhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-54659253909478096862018-12-10T13:27:16.913-08:002018-12-10T13:27:16.913-08:00Mr. Shukla, Uttam radar is still on cards, Astra m...Mr. Shukla, Uttam radar is still on cards, Astra missile is being developed, Israeli missiles are also there and who knows American AMRAAMs would be integrated in future(They are already integrated with Israeli radars).. This sensationalism is not needed at all. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-13375360620653778192018-12-10T11:54:47.643-08:002018-12-10T11:54:47.643-08:00Rubbish argument for the Saab radar..Meteor was in...Rubbish argument for the Saab radar..Meteor was integrated with the Selex Raven radar on the Gripen E, not the radar that Saab built in-house, which was being offered for the Tejas. Stop this shameless pimping on behalf of European defence companies!Kartikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13921966292671328539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-32598192285852525542018-12-10T07:35:14.910-08:002018-12-10T07:35:14.910-08:00your analysis has flaws and I think you are lookin...your analysis has flaws and I think you are looking to criticise everything and anything that is happening in defence field. <br />LCA is not a MMRCA with stand off capabilities - it is supposed to be Mig-21++. now it seems we want a mini-Rafale fighter jet as LCA mk-1a. <br />India needs access to technology which you have been championing for in your previous articles but here you are taking an about turn because the european consortium has asked you to do so.<br />Imagine if HAL had selected the european offer at higher price then you would have gone to town alleging scandal like in Rafale! We need consistency Ajai in your analysis!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81410800459573226172018-12-10T03:27:46.431-08:002018-12-10T03:27:46.431-08:00Frankly when was Meteor make or break for LCA? DRD...Frankly when was Meteor make or break for LCA? DRDO Astra 2 and SFDR when it comes along, should be perfectly fine.Anupam Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09576302449690498330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-69930442772882673582018-12-10T02:47:28.400-08:002018-12-10T02:47:28.400-08:00Derby ER with a range of 100km could be installed ...Derby ER with a range of 100km could be installed on the Tejas instead of Meteor. No issue at all. prateikfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03487417810035037809noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81200785951482275742018-12-10T01:41:42.502-08:002018-12-10T01:41:42.502-08:00The only solution to this conundrum is to build an...The only solution to this conundrum is to build an indigenous Meteor-grade BVRAAM. Make in India!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-22670722072648975572018-12-10T01:20:41.722-08:002018-12-10T01:20:41.722-08:00Tejas Mk1 is integrated with 2032. It Must be much...Tejas Mk1 is integrated with 2032. It Must be much easier to upgrade to 2052.<br />All decisions have pros and cons. Need not be explained .<br />Let us be clear, MoD, HAL & IAF are now working together to quickly get improved Tejas Mk1 off the ground. <br />They are professionals and know what/why of the decisions. <br />Another bad political write up. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87064285631014990212018-12-09T20:35:49.386-08:002018-12-09T20:35:49.386-08:00This is an overly narrow view of things. IAF has 2...This is an overly narrow view of things. IAF has 232 SU 20 MKI's that will also undoubtedly not be integrated with the meteor. Does that condemn them to a pripheral role in the Air Force's plans? If not its a strange argument to extend to the LCA. The LCA has many reasons why it might fail, and the top on the list won't be Meteor's integration.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12315663514824685182noreply@blogger.com