tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post5549816419714033089..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: How China and India Came to Lethal BlowsBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-26531754759383650492020-12-03T01:47:28.794-08:002020-12-03T01:47:28.794-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.panindiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10731459872110113092noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-55168386918076656662020-11-27T06:59:31.626-08:002020-11-27T06:59:31.626-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Insta Followerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00330059100797598708noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-90201751142255156102020-11-21T03:54:59.774-08:002020-11-21T03:54:59.774-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Hicentrikhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03562599195635221875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-4198465012052582302020-06-29T07:12:39.085-07:002020-06-29T07:12:39.085-07:00I have never read such a biased article that too f...I have never read such a biased article that too from an ex-army officer who doubts his fellow countrymen and who I now think was serving the country he is writing in favour of.. you seriously are disgusting Mr. ShuklaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73691484047865340812020-06-28T20:31:19.645-07:002020-06-28T20:31:19.645-07:00I have never read a more stupid answer than your r...I have never read a more stupid answer than your reply to Mr Ajay:<br /><br />1. Satellite images corroborate what Mr Shukla has been reporting. <br />2. The "1 inch" statement made by our PM is not factually correct, but that is being conveniently forgotten.<br />3. The so called talks aimed at "de-escalation" have resulted in more Chinese tents coming up at exactly the same point where Col.Santosh objected. Again, this is conveniently forgotten.<br /><br />Unfortunately, a sagacious advice to arise from slumber doesn't have any effect on one who has been pretending to sleep. Instead the advisor is being called traitor. That is the tragedy of this nation's "elite": not just in politics but in every department.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-23622858015166960352020-06-25T01:13:19.947-07:002020-06-25T01:13:19.947-07:00As a retired fauzi, I have 2 points -
1. When Ind...As a retired fauzi, I have 2 points - <br />1. When India decided to construct this road some 19 years back, did it not occur to anyone that it will all along be vulnerable to anyone occupying the heights that run on its side it? An IMA cadet would have told them that<br />2. The fight of 15 Jun was a thing apart from build up etc. Who started it? From all accounts known, it was set in motion by the Indian side attempting to destroy it. If so, it was unpardonable. Which enemy will not react violently to it? Wouldn’t we have? We had a right to use force, as all armies have, but then it should have been done as a military operation, not as a kabaddi match? 106 Indians paid for this folly, without gaining ANYTHING. Did they also kill Chinese is totally immaterial to assessment Of the results. Achievement of objective was Zero. Alok Asthanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05362507906160748320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-82515819935400103622020-06-25T00:18:03.914-07:002020-06-25T00:18:03.914-07:00As of now indian armyh army not allowed Chinese ar...As of now indian armyh army not allowed Chinese army to enter into indian territory . The clash happened near patrolling point 14 where pla had put up temporary tent on 15th evening it's patrolling point of India when indian army removed that tent the clash has started and lasted for more than 4 hours.. during night .. rescue operation has next till the rescue operation completed they dint give the proper information of wats the casualties.. I don't know why mr Shukla is trying completely giving the biased information supporting China and not supporting Indian so sad..Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15668203397000948022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87897769699943861512020-06-24T20:27:27.907-07:002020-06-24T20:27:27.907-07:00Too many cooks spoil the broth. Sad to see that pr...Too many cooks spoil the broth. Sad to see that professional soldiers ( veterans ) have turned to political bashing at a critical time when Nation need all heads to put together to fight out Chinese adventurism. Time if it is a biggest healer then Time is also biggest disease which needs to be cured . Past, present & future are & will never be governed by a common factor. Col Shuklas present blog portrays a picture of ppresent crisis as if whole damn problem has just started all after Article 370 has been abrogated.Why should he not take pride in that these areas were well under control under Maharaja Ranjit Singh ,Generals like Zoravar Singh ,then British Raj & Tibeteans had own areas to enjoy freedom. Let's not rest our bum's till such time we undo wrong done in the past specially Partition in 1947 of the great Mahabharat . No doubt J& Khas put all into a spin all after abrogation of Article 370 but, This decision of Nations democratically elected Modi Govt has rejuvenated our strengths . Every sane Indian will standby with Govt . Insanity of Chinese Pakistan & secessionists was bound to rise. Forward & frowning posturing was bound to happen &therefore Galwan Dokhlam & Pangangtso fingering was bound to happen. What Nation need is Soldier turned Columnist to hold Gun & not fingering through Blog. Crisis will be much bigger to handle then it is being projected at this stage. History & Blogs can be written later. Indians at this stage must not show any complacency & be prepared to pay any prize. Personally have defended these heights with lot of pride. God has given Himalyas in our side of Indian culture to protect & not to Godless Dragon. Jai Hind . GPSV Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11185535128425722608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-83212529495125206792020-06-23T12:31:13.798-07:002020-06-23T12:31:13.798-07:00Shukla, even for a rabid sold out prestitute you a...Shukla, even for a rabid sold out prestitute you always were, this article crosses all limits.<br /><br />Deliberately trying to undermine Govt's, & army's efforts to confront china at various places when incursions happen.<br /><br />2) asking for proofs of 43 chinese killed...why don't you ask your communists pay masters for the proof, probably, they will provide you with one with your pay packet ?<br /><br />3) Why don't you give your estimates of the no. of PLA killed ?<br /><br />4)in 2013, you mentioned china controlled entire Galwan valley, if that was the case, did china create a new Galwan & occupy its 48 sq km territory ?<br /><br />5) Have you guys, including Panag, have no shame in openly peddling enemy's agenda for a few crumbs ?<br /><br />I have been reading your blog since I was in school, at the time it was commonly said " the army has gone to the dogs". Now I understand the full extent of this statement. The statement was aimed at the likes of Panag, who was still serving, and you...probably kicked out of the army, which you spun as "with desk job beckoning, I decided to serve the country some other way". Only you forgot to say which country.<br /><br />Also, you served for ~20 yrs, did you ever fire a weapon in combat ? Maybe in Punjab, Kashmir, sri lanka. kargil ?or were you to busy selling your country ?<br /><br />Peddle all agenda you want, the country stands with/behind its PM, & army Prateeknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87140431063942284402020-06-23T12:22:22.088-07:002020-06-23T12:22:22.088-07:00Mr Shukla is a well known congress sympathizer and...Mr Shukla is a well known congress sympathizer and his barely concealed vitriol against Modi is visible for all to see. He has learnt the masterful art of peppering opinion with facts on the ground to consistently show the Modi government in a bad light. Since this view is the one adopted by the New York TImes and the left liberal folks, it is easy to see why he was accorded a reception on the pages of the New York Times. Readers of this article are well advised to see alternate sources.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-80987502244380750212020-06-23T11:17:35.987-07:002020-06-23T11:17:35.987-07:00He is sickHe is sickAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47631389375029639842020-06-23T10:55:52.105-07:002020-06-23T10:55:52.105-07:00Most Indian media is too frightened to oppose the ...Most Indian media is too frightened to oppose the government line, hence why pedals the official story rather than the facts which sometimes are a bitter pill to swallow for government and populous at large. The masses are frequently fed a staple diet of misinformation via economical truths,sensationalized empathy mixed with conjecture and blatant fake news.<br />This has become a mantra of the Indian media so when a situation like the one being discussed comes to pass the Indian media is stumped and left spouting nonsensical verbiage from a position of cognitive dissonance which is representative of both the government and the population at large. Matt Alanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03911508488996158868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-3084082015145942632020-06-23T09:45:58.335-07:002020-06-23T09:45:58.335-07:00there is much discussion everywhere, but no culpab...there is much discussion everywhere, but no culpability has been fixed or being talked about. in my eyes, the army is to be blamed - if they were waiting for political assent, why didnt they quickly suggest and press for a counter attack on jun 16th despite political misgivings, if any. and more importantly how come we were outnumbered that night if reports are to be believed, despite having weeks of prior intel?<br /><br />but of course, all this will be classified and in the great traditions of our venerated army, asking questions, especially by civilians, will be blasphemy. rawat will keep his smug smile intact kowtowing to his political masters who made him COAS and the external affairs ministry will sheepishly keep at its pacifist line. the rest of us will nurse a wound for god only knows for how long.<br /><br />its clear as daylight to me that people start asking questions of the army rightaway otherwise this will become a habit where everything goes unchecked.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73952940507957954312020-06-22T23:38:50.822-07:002020-06-22T23:38:50.822-07:00What a befitting reply.
But I can't say it is ...What a befitting reply.<br />But I can't say it is befitting becoz Mr. Shukla has deliberately given factual incorrect data.In today's environment if u don't know the things correctly , it's ok. But if u r giving deliberately inaccurate data that's wrong. This is the curious case of Ajai Shukla.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-35597504948580954852020-06-22T21:58:20.335-07:002020-06-22T21:58:20.335-07:00I wish Ajay Shukla as India's Defense Minster ...I wish Ajay Shukla as India's Defense Minster but unfortunately in current Indian political setup only morons and hate-mongers can hold such posts. <br />India made a grave mistake by revoking Article 370 in Kashmir and it has to pay a very heavy price by not only loosing Kashmir and Ladakh but also Balkanization of India in coming years.<br />Only way to resolve the China standoff and get back India to its glory is to accept the reality of Kashmir and move back Indian borders to Lakhanpur/Pathankot. Make Kashmir an autonomous region and be a part of Chinese Belt and Road initiative. That only can bring peace and prosperity to the region. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-75563399965372035802020-06-22T20:21:52.620-07:002020-06-22T20:21:52.620-07:00Mr. Shukla twice in 1 article you make the point t...Mr. Shukla twice in 1 article you make the point that Indian claims of 40 or so casualties are without proof, which is code for "I don't believe it". It is entirely possible that the Indian side is playing up Chinese casualties to save face. But if it was a massacre as you seem to imply, the fighting would have hardly lasted 5-6 hours. Why not just hold your positions at PP 14 assuming you have made short work of Indian troops?<br />Even with some skepticism, I would be inclined to believe the side that is actually releasing some information rather than the side that releases no information. For someone as knowledgeable as you , I would assume you wouldn't just buy the Chinese claim of "Not wanting to raise the tensions, by releasing their casualty numbers". So they amass troops, occupy territory and ambush Indian troops. And suddenly we are supposed to believe that they don't want to escalate? If there is one thing you can take to the bank about the Chinese, is they are not in the business of doing India any favors. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-35355297650533213512020-06-22T17:30:40.167-07:002020-06-22T17:30:40.167-07:00Very good analytical blog with facts and figures, ...Very good analytical blog with facts and figures, thanks Ajay ji for giving latest update and reality of the situation. We appreciate your daring voice against the manipulation’s and false statements of Modi & company on national issues. They must be exposed.<br />We salute to your knowledge and experience and sharing it with people of india with facts n figures.<br />~Pratapbhanu Sharma, Ex mp VidishaUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17425762679721558260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-91633104776395878942020-06-22T16:47:29.130-07:002020-06-22T16:47:29.130-07:00is the distance from DBO to the karakoram pass jus...is the distance from DBO to the karakoram pass just under 20 km or is this the distance to the line of control. if this is indeed the case, then will beijing allow the continuation of this forward base that can only have one purpose, for them, - to interdict the pass, and compromise the economic corridor joining china, pakistan. <br />while opening, establishing an axis of maintenance, viz the DBO, Darbuk-Shyok road, this operation would have been conducted tactically given its location, and purpose, aim. in any advance the flanks are to be secured, protected. this would have required the galwan heights to be secured, rather than leaving it to periodic inspections by patrols, viz 'grand rounds'. and it seems that owing to the fear of corona influenza this too was honoured more in the breach than in adherence. since all we know about corona, and similar influenzas is premised on statistical conjectures, it may have been relevant that in an infantry battalion of 900 men, let us say 1000, 850 will be asymptomatic, of the remaining 150, 3, less than five will die. if the sector commander in leh had factored in the significantly higher fitness levels of his infantry and not put his forward troops into lockdown, but continued patrolling, five would have succumbed to the flu in a battalion, 15 in a brigade. if there is another round of hysteria, policy paralysis, when the second phase of the influenza at exponentially higher rates rages through in august, will china move in to take over DBO, putting paid to grand strategy aims on aksai chin. all that they have to do is roll down from the galwan heights, move across pangong tso, to secure, control our vital axis of maintenance, and mount an attack onto DBO, with a hammer from the north and the anvil from the south. and establish a new alignment along the line of chushul, tangtse, shyok, satti, sasoma. the leh khardung la DBO axis will be available however its limitations were indeed the raisond'etat to prefer the alternated caravan route along the shyok's torrents with the darbuk shyok DBO road.george ninanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01856262118970125304noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-26829511193926285652020-06-22T11:16:41.544-07:002020-06-22T11:16:41.544-07:00I have never read more biased and factually incorr...I have never read more biased and factually incorrect article than this piece by Mr Ajay Shukla. Its gross factual anomaly makes it ridiculously idiotic.<br />1- Twice he has mentioned that soldiers were killed by nail studded clubs though many soldiers died by boulders thrown from high ground.<br />2- Then he states after 1962 war China won and retreated without even mentioning the land we lost?<br />3- Then he mentiones that Darbuk-Shyok-Daulat Beg Oldi road was constructed over a period of 19 years without mentioning that it was satrted on 2000 and was supposed to be over by 2014. But in 2011 out of what ever was constructed, 2/3 rd of it was found unsuitable (another UPA corruption) so the whole road was rebuilt (almost 90% under NDA).<br />4- Then he shamelessly calls India's effort at Doklam pussilaneous. It was first time since many decades that India objected to China's illegal expansion and succeeded. During UPA, due to their spibeless attitude, China had free run.<br />5- Then he talks about new map. For his information, its same map which India has been using for many years. India considers whole Jammu Kashmir and Laddakh as its own (the has been agreed in parliament by all parties). Mr Ajay Shukla may be keen to give Kashmir to Pak or Laddhak to China, but his wishes carries no meaning. What India did in Aug 2019 was completely within its jurisdiction. The whole region was divided into 3 parts and made UT. The part which was shown under Laddhak was there in Indian map even before 2019. Why China or Mr Shukla should have a problem whether GOI consider Laddhak a state or UT?<br />Worst part is he is consistently downplaying the efforts of Indian army by asking for proof of Death on Chinese side though even China has agreed that they have lost many lives incuding a commanding officer.<br /><br />Showing full loyalty to dynasty Mr. Shukla prefers not to talk about more tha 600 incursions during UPA regime and more than 650 Sq Km land grabbed by China during UPA. No infrastructure developed, Army was not allowed to retaliate, low morale, weak PM, even a meek Defence secretary who cited financial reason for not developing bordrrs.<br /><br />In few lines what actually happened was-<br />China illegally intruded in no mans land which it has been doing for many decades "Unopposed". Indian army retaliated (for the first time). China agreed to withdraw but ambushed and killed some of our soldiers when they went to check. <br />Our soldiers fought back and killed nany Chinese (probably more than us). China after having a bloody nose and realising they can not fight with our Army hired some traitors in India to write one sided story. <br />Right now, they have retreated significantly in Galwan valley, They have come upto finger 4 at Pangong Tso, but talks are going on and I am sure soon they will be retreating from there too.<br />Mr. Shukla has proved beyond doubt he is a stooge. I dont think he can be relied upon.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14596379966979051773noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87716473632386423262020-06-22T11:03:38.473-07:002020-06-22T11:03:38.473-07:00Gautam Bambawale, former Indian Ambassador to Chin...Gautam Bambawale, former Indian Ambassador to China and Pakistan.This time it has crossed the limits. I agree with some of the comments made by authoritative sources in the Government of India, that this is a premeditated and well-thought-out action. I do not see what gain China has had, because for some minor tactical gain on the ground, I believe they have strategically lost India. I don’t know if that is something they had calculated or not. I believe if there are these kinds of anxieties they could have been discussed over the table and spoken about, even between the two militaries, even the road building could be discussed. This leads me to think this particular action by the PLA this summer is purely something where they are trying to actually control territory which they believe in their conception is theirs. This is something which is premeditated. It is purely to do with territory, but its implications are both tactical as well as strategic. Are we looking at an inflection point in the relationship that could be as significant as 1988, which marked the normalisation of ties? I believe that it is. I no longer speak or work for the Government of India, so I say this as an ordinary Indian citizen who has some knowledge about this relationship. I believe that India will strengthen its partnerships with the democracies of the world. In the long term, the way I look at it is that the diametrically opposite values that India holds vis-à-vis China, and the values which we share with other democracies across the world, are going to assert themselves and are going to dictate India’s position. I am afraid that the India-China relationship has not merely deteriorated, but will deteriorate further.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-21345975412571312422020-06-22T11:02:28.156-07:002020-06-22T11:02:28.156-07:00China is not going back. Its simple. RAW was sleep...China is not going back. Its simple. RAW was sleeping when China came in. Shukla did not mention Indian army failure bcz he is also an ex army moleDilavezhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14381797415433018939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-48494926064550718732020-06-22T10:09:00.397-07:002020-06-22T10:09:00.397-07:00Send the military in, and throw them out.Send the military in, and throw them out.kulari94noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-58434870989417384972020-06-22T08:06:19.685-07:002020-06-22T08:06:19.685-07:00So where are we now ? Has India literally surrende...So where are we now ? Has India literally surrendered and given away that land occupied by China ? <br />WordsCreatingSoundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04588738333348221290noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-83704749133950321912020-06-22T06:29:18.677-07:002020-06-22T06:29:18.677-07:00hi sir, could you please fix the hyper links. none...hi sir, could you please fix the hyper links. none of them are working.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-48918566029957387692020-06-22T06:07:47.179-07:002020-06-22T06:07:47.179-07:00The only fault of Modi,if at all any,is that he ha...The only fault of Modi,if at all any,is that he has been in power for only 6 years That is too little time to prepare for a showdown with China.Indian military buildup only began seriously from 2014 onwards.If this currrent standoff had happened a few years later when India is better prepared ,I do not think the Chinese would be sitting pretty at Galwan,Pangong Tso etc.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com