tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post5480940030663797989..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: The ECIL influence: MoD shuts out private companies from fuze purchaseBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-25763444722888104192015-03-01T19:15:31.799-08:002015-03-01T19:15:31.799-08:00the private players have not demonstrated their ca...the private players have not demonstrated their capability or offered their designs for testing. they just make tall claims.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10281701268366615501noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-38873013200130917312010-02-14T10:47:40.548-08:002010-02-14T10:47:40.548-08:00Otis:
Actually, I've visited HBL's facili...Otis:<br /><br />Actually, I've visited HBL's facilities in Hyderabad and seen their JVs with various foreign partners. But I suppose your visit to the HBL website qualifies as "research".<br /><br />Are you trying to say that any company who has anything to do with any foreign vendor should be treated as a foreign entity? If that were the case, nobody in India would make the cut.<br /><br />My article compares a PSU, which receives 100% components from abroad, with a number of private players who make significant parts of their fuzes in India... but still lose out to DPSU influence in the MoD.<br /><br />If you don't agree, no problem. You're in illustrious company... the MoD and ECIL think I'm talking out of turn too. Join the party!Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-26346017035475213022010-02-14T09:08:46.129-08:002010-02-14T09:08:46.129-08:00actually if you bothered to do some research you w...actually if you bothered to do some research you will find that HBL also has a radar and EW joint venture with ELTA of Israel!<br /><br />how about that? not as if their's is "indigenous".<br /><br />Ajai says: "imported content of HBL fuzes are far lower"<br /><br />I ask: Ajai, did you actually ask this to HBL Microwave? Probably you may want to produce some concrete figures.otisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-66685200786134545462010-02-14T08:46:38.457-08:002010-02-14T08:46:38.457-08:00So, here's another bit of information about ho...So, here's another bit of information about how these tenders (unwanted & tenders without "baaps" in GOI)are rejected. <br /><br />The Govt releases specifications of each product (electronic) that it intends to purchase. For example, the dimensions can be 20mmX11mmX 1.2mm. Think that is easy to achieve. Thing again. The product should work on a frequency of 810Hz. Now one product may work at 798Hz and another may work at 900Hz and still do the same job, right? Haha, right. You see-before the tender is released, the specs are copied from the "blue-eyed" product (read the product which has to be bought). Now since no other product can match the exact technical specification of the indent (the spec released in the RFP), the procurement guys will be forced to make the "blue-eyed" product T1. Inspite of doing a equal or better job, the other products will be T2/T3 etc...<br /><br />Voila. The indentor will claim only T1 does the job because T1 matches all specs. Even though T1 may not be lowest priced, unless it is priced in the stratosphere, it will be selected. <br /><br />Btw: the private companies who manufacture one fuze each can put in a combined tender for all 3 fuzes by creating a new company representing all 3 companies. <br /><br />Long live the government procurement system.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-41983531867036641692010-02-14T04:06:48.689-08:002010-02-14T04:06:48.689-08:00Anonymous 10:42:
Good... I like your thinking. Ma...Anonymous 10:42:<br /><br />Good... I like your thinking. Maybe you'll get around to being a journalist one of these days.<br /><br />The import component of HBL's fuzes is far lower than those of ECIL.<br /><br />And Dr Jagdish Prasad has never been employed by a PSU. He's actually an engineer who became a teacher before becoming an entrepreneur.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-72344646330703195882010-02-13T21:12:47.467-08:002010-02-13T21:12:47.467-08:00Shukla ji,
how come you have information about ...Shukla ji,<br /> how come you have information about the exact % of imported content in ECIL fuses and not the exact % of imported content in HBL defence Electronics one???<br /> and one more question shukla ji, is Dr Jagdish Prasad an ex PSU employee???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-59309712875679230092010-02-13T20:36:30.403-08:002010-02-13T20:36:30.403-08:00AND YES, POSTS WRITTEN IN SMS LANGUAGE WILL, HEREA...AND YES, POSTS WRITTEN IN SMS LANGUAGE WILL, HEREAFTER, NOT BE POSTED.<br /><br />TYPING "YOUR" INSTEAD OF "UR" IS NOT EXACTLY BACKBREAKING LABOUR.<br /><br />THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDING.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-75457455501620117562010-02-13T20:35:02.104-08:002010-02-13T20:35:02.104-08:00A BUNCH OF RECENT COMMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN POSTED BE...A BUNCH OF RECENT COMMENTS HAVE NOT BEEN POSTED BECAUSE<br /><br />(a) Obscenity: In my world, Fcuk and Fukc contitute obscenity. I'm a bit old-fashioned.<br /><br />(b) Irrelevance: "Mr X does not appear to be as clean as his image" constitutes valid opinion and will be posted. But a post like "Mr X should be shot" will be junked.<br /><br />THANKS FOR YOUR UNDERSTANDINGBroadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-63254776540136178892010-02-13T10:49:30.002-08:002010-02-13T10:49:30.002-08:00hey ajaiji why werent my comments posted? about cr...hey ajaiji why werent my comments posted? about creating a jv of the private industries making different fuze types to create a seperate entity; and the need of private entities to be competitive by hook or crook! whats wrong with that??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-85657648819280965722010-02-13T07:31:54.463-08:002010-02-13T07:31:54.463-08:00Ajai,
I would like you to put your next report on...Ajai,<br /><br />I would like you to put your next report on MOD himself.<br /><br />If possible use this thing as a headline.<br /><br />" How Clean is Mr.Clean himself? "<br /><br />thank you.INDIANnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-66506905988878208452010-02-13T06:42:21.384-08:002010-02-13T06:42:21.384-08:00f MOD wants to give preference to its PSU's on...f MOD wants to give preference to its PSU's on its tenders, what is wrong in that. Considering the fact that:<br />1. The finished product has to be approved by army's quality control.<br />2. PSU's have decades of experience and capability to do so. <br />3. The risk of confidential information leak is less.<br />4. Are the private firms mature enough to handle such projects and deliver it with quality?<br /><br /><br />************************<br /><br />The private sector will always beat the governmenet sector. Guess who makes America's weapons which are the best in the world, the private sector. The private sector gave America the F22 for instance..there is no use of a growing economy if you don't tap the private sector.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68450666182438551172010-02-13T05:16:58.314-08:002010-02-13T05:16:58.314-08:00Ajaiji, you are a light of hope in all but lost ca...Ajaiji, you are a light of hope in all but lost cause of Indian defence journalism. I just wish that there were more journalists like you with courage and desire to expose the ugly underbelly of MoD under the useless AK Antony. Most journalists unfortunately do little more than copy and paste the brochure and publicity material from MoD and foreign companies.<br /><br />It is criminal on the part of AK Antony and his minions in MoD to play with the nation's defence preparedness. Why aren't they being tried for treason? We would be better off without them.AKhttp://ak47.yahoo.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-83601907171277369972010-02-13T05:13:26.101-08:002010-02-13T05:13:26.101-08:00Politicians all over the world must be cursing the...Politicians all over the world must be cursing the blogosphere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10634403825949294132010-02-13T01:11:28.536-08:002010-02-13T01:11:28.536-08:00This is really a ridiculous Policy of MOD. On the ...This is really a ridiculous Policy of MOD. On the name of nation's good they doing their own good.Vipulnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-43723697098285772902010-02-12T23:49:53.039-08:002010-02-12T23:49:53.039-08:00The RfP has been made in such a manner that it wil...The RfP has been made in such a manner that it will exclude allompanies, not just private ones.This may suit ECIL as it can continue to supply fuses to the army on a single tender basis but it will also exclude other defense PSUs who are also interested in making electronic fuses for the armed forces.<br />The best thing would be for the present RfP to be cancelled and a three fresh RFPs(one for each type of fuse) to be issued.<br />Ajit SinghUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09567155648383464650noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-79177365304712272872010-02-12T22:54:02.681-08:002010-02-12T22:54:02.681-08:00Ajai, another brilliant article.
Though all info ...Ajai, another brilliant article.<br /><br />Though all info is correct but your title 'may' convey the impression that GoI is favoring a PSU. As the content of article clearly shows that GoI is favoring a foreign party in garb of PSU.<br /><br />I think that you would know by now a lot of details as to how "single party deals" are entered into using PSU as a shield. This relation is also made permanent by enlarging the scope of contract to run many decades.<br /><br />I think we need journalists like you to expose the facade of 'indigenisation' being run by PSUs and OFBs.<br /><br />Pls write more articles like this. Let me humbly suggest few titles:-<br /><br />"Is it import or indigenisation"<br /><br />"Is the Govt killing Indian effort to favor import through PSUs"<br /><br />"The real facade of indigenisation"<br /><br />"outright single vendor import using JV as a pretext"<br /><br />etc etcAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-91802417077689044692010-02-12T22:31:29.755-08:002010-02-12T22:31:29.755-08:00how many times do we need to face the fact that pr...how many times do we need to face the fact that private co r taboo in defense deals.<br /><br />There r several co in India who hae the capability to make these fuse, but as i said these companies wont ever get a chance.<br /><br />My uncle who worked in Ichapore once lamented the fact that DPSUs r actually worried pvt. co will expose their limitation n in-competancy.<br /><br />by d way some good news,<br />i m hearning that Mod will order additional 5 Arjun tank battalions.joydeep ghoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00038225081192821456noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-65300243882971509132010-02-12T19:03:45.633-08:002010-02-12T19:03:45.633-08:00What action has Mr.Anthony taken to root out corru...What action has Mr.Anthony taken to root out corruption from MOD. Why is that imported components are being provided to armed forces as Indigenous. What action will be taken against who are responsible for such corrupt practices. These people are bane for the Indian nation. Either Mr.Anthony cleans MOD of corruption or he is surely going to loose the Mr.Clean title very shortly for allowing such malpractices within his department.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-62932317740622832010-02-12T19:01:51.168-08:002010-02-12T19:01:51.168-08:00If MOD wants to give preference to its PSU's o...If MOD wants to give preference to its PSU's on its tenders, what is wrong in that. Considering the fact that:<br />1. The finished product has to be approved by army's quality control.<br />2. PSU's have decades of experience and capability to do so. <br />3. The risk of confidential information leak is less.<br />4. Are the private firms mature enough to handle such projects and deliver it with quality?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-63672536479137084962010-02-12T19:00:16.432-08:002010-02-12T19:00:16.432-08:00So much corruption in the Mr.Clean's departmen...So much corruption in the Mr.Clean's department. Shame shame.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com