tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post459657691270290400..comments2024-03-29T05:44:18.835-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: India signs Euro 7.8 billion deal for 36 Rafale fighters; no options for moreBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-2446653560537952832016-10-01T00:27:47.630-07:002016-10-01T00:27:47.630-07:00Its highly disappointed that we have deal at this ...Its highly disappointed that we have deal at this month if older cover take quick action then we have 100+ Rafael till date and have upper hand over China JAI BHARAThttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13266656851628666785noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-39324632147422547262016-09-28T09:25:23.881-07:002016-09-28T09:25:23.881-07:00Jane and TOI have both reported that deal is for 3...Jane and TOI have both reported that deal is for 36 (firm) and 18 (options). Can you double check whether there is no options clause???Guruhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17207506803118876840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-40934657685420108712016-09-27T04:05:41.808-07:002016-09-27T04:05:41.808-07:00Why Helmet Mounted Display Sights (HMDS)? Today...Why Helmet Mounted Display Sights (HMDS)? Today's missiles have a wider field of capture than the sight mounted on the aircraft (off-boresight capability). Thus the pilot doesn't need to point the aircraft at the target to succesfully aim and launch a missile at it. So how does he designate the target and aim the missile (for an IR guided missile). Simple, turn his head to look at the target and use the HMDS to designate it.<br /><br />Or her, of course.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-18413248497897524972016-09-27T01:55:35.014-07:002016-09-27T01:55:35.014-07:00Cost per Rafale is 1600+ crores (8.9 bilion/36=rat...Cost per Rafale is 1600+ crores (8.9 bilion/36=rate of INR).<br /><br /><br />5,93,31,85,00,000 crores if we go by todays rate. <br /><br />Sof for each aircraft= 59,331,8500000/36= 16481069444 crores i.e 1600 crores per Rafale. This must be life cycle cost.<br /><br /><br />I dont think any of these Rafales will be stationed near western border, they will be only for China. I even remember an old article saying "MMRCA Aircrafts will be stationed in North East."<br /><br />That makes sense. PLAFF's massive numbers and its steady rise is a cocern for Indian Policy makers and IAF may deploy mix of Super MKI+ Rafales+ Tejas on bases near eastern border.<br /><br /><br />I also think we need to take a look at Super MKI now that Rafale deal has been inked. PAK FA/ FGFA will take time. Its supposed powerplant izdeliye 30 is in development now and Pak Fa still has glitches.<br /><br />Super MKI with is 15 ton engine, better avionics and AESA radar will be a huge asset. <br /><br />Regards, Colonel.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-7128814773878924482016-09-26T03:22:31.978-07:002016-09-26T03:22:31.978-07:00Cost per Rafale is 1600+ crores (8.9 bilion/36=rat...Cost per Rafale is 1600+ crores (8.9 bilion/36=rate of INR).<br /><br /><br />5,93,31,85,00,000 crores if we go by todays rate. <br /><br />Sof for each aircraft= 59,331,8500000/36= 16481069444 crores i.e 1600 crores per Rafale. This must be life cycle cost.<br /><br />I dont think any of these Rafales will be stationed near western border, they will be only for China. I even remember an old article saying "MMRCA Aircrafts will be stationed in North East."<br /><br />That makes sense. PLAFF's massive numbers and its steady rise is a cocern for Indian Policy makers. IAF may deploy mix of Super MKI+ Rafales+ Tejas on bases near eastern border.<br /><br />I also think we need to take a look at Super MKI now that Rafale deal has been inked. PAK FA/ FGFA will take time. Its supposed powerplant izdeliye 30 is in development now and Pak Fa still has glitches.<br /><br />Super MKI with is 15 ton engine, better avionics and AESA radar will be a huge asset. <br /><br />Regards, Colonel.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-9455804323769153782016-09-26T00:43:24.512-07:002016-09-26T00:43:24.512-07:00To avoid many different types, buy more Su-30MKI. ...To avoid many different types, buy more Su-30MKI. Make in India + cheaper + potent fighter. Can do Air Superiority, Ground Attack etc. Even if Russian engines are not reliable, quantity will make up. Better than F-16 block 50, JF-17, Mirage 3/5, F-7.<br /><br />1 SU-30 = 5 Mig-21, I read somewhere.....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-58236579168369891282016-09-26T00:39:31.897-07:002016-09-26T00:39:31.897-07:00A simplistic analogy - The wooden door of my house...A simplistic analogy - The wooden door of my house is rotting away, having steadfastly protected me from intruders for years. A strong kick now and it will give away. So, should I wait for another decade and half evaluating different door designs till the door decays completely? This is exactly what our defence planners have done with the MMRCA project, with the huge delay in finalising the MMRCA order.<br /><br />The MMRCA competition started in the early 2000s, and circa 2016, we now have a partial deal for 36 nos. jets out of the projected 126 nos. which is being tom-tommed as a great victory for Indian negotiators! No one is talking of the balance 90 jets.<br /><br />Dassault will begin delivery of the Rafales only by 2018 and complete by 2022, that too under ideal circumstances. By then, the IAF will have retired the MIG21s; the Sepecat Jaguars and MIG27s are nearing the end of their service life. Unless the Tejas induction speeds up, a huge hole has been punched in our air warfare capabilities, thanks to this long drawn process of "evaluation". <br /><br />I mean, did we have the luxury of fifteen years for evaluation, given the two-front scenario of China and Pakistan ganging up against us. Why, the Egyptian Air Force started negotiations for 24 Rafales in November 2014 and an agreement was reached with Dassault by August 2015!<br /><br />Crux of the matter is - our polity and our defence planners together has badly let us down as far as critical defence acquisitions, Rafale being a glaring highlight, are concerned, and have seriously hampered our war fighting abilities!<br />Kunaal Gaikwadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-27365983866225449572016-09-26T00:16:46.998-07:002016-09-26T00:16:46.998-07:00All aircrafts build by the any country is accordin...All aircrafts build by the any country is according to their air force specifications. So we can never get any aircraft's wrt to IAF specification we need to always modify the aircraft according to our requirement. The cost of any critical machine is always considering its support and maintainance because that's where you spent more money on it. That's is the reason why rafales upfront cost is high but if we look at lifecycle costs an MMRCA is always lower. That is the reason why us is building the F35 and Russians are standardizing su30 or else they would have had only su 35.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-12690343793935863532016-09-25T10:40:59.921-07:002016-09-25T10:40:59.921-07:00Can't understand how govt of India under non c...Can't understand how govt of India under non corrupt Modiji n Parikarj function in defence purchase decisions of this magnitude. First what compelled Modiji to ink the deal in his French visit. Overnight why did hurry emerge from the Pmo and not the defence ministry.Second why have negotiations deliberately left a window open for no clause of further purchase after 5years.Do they want Rafael to jack up prices if we lose a few Rafael in this intervening period ?thirdly why do you need frills such as helmet mounted visual display to enable pilot to shoot at sight. Doesn't manohar parrikar understand this much that this isNOT a essential requirement for an aircraft that is equipped to fire missiles from 100kms away, not for close dogfights.How many fighters are going to be stationed at Leh when you are ordering features like cold start. Very smart move by corrupt decision makers to double the price from 700 crores to 1600crores when essentially we could have got two additional squadrons. The earlier deal was a similar amount but had 126 aircrafts. How this deal is better beats meM k Rathinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-26053642628148237042016-09-25T10:07:17.893-07:002016-09-25T10:07:17.893-07:00A very typical article from Col Shukla, full of hi...A very typical article from Col Shukla, full of his usual pessimism towards any action by the current govt. <br />I am sure he would've been very excited and positive had the govt opted for American eqpt, obsolete as they may be.<br />rajendrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01972175366264426323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-50850050658700893582016-09-25T07:01:43.580-07:002016-09-25T07:01:43.580-07:00The Rafale is a good deal, it is a good mature pla...The Rafale is a good deal, it is a good mature plane as found by IAF. It would have been a nightmare to manufacture 100+ in India. The future of manned fighter is bleak at best. So the money saved should be invested in long range artillery that includes cruise missiles.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-60438473193027481282016-09-24T13:26:24.755-07:002016-09-24T13:26:24.755-07:00Repeat after me. 36 is not enough. IAF shortfall i...Repeat after me. 36 is not enough. IAF shortfall is 250 fighters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-59973828323685020472016-09-24T08:25:40.961-07:002016-09-24T08:25:40.961-07:00I read in the news that there is an option clause ...I read in the news that there is an option clause for 18 more Rafales? What is right?vamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17539021275828777983noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-56999197680099880802016-09-24T02:48:11.695-07:002016-09-24T02:48:11.695-07:00good article Ajai, now you talk sense.
it's ok...good article Ajai, now you talk sense.<br />it's ok if there is no option clause, soon they will decide to make another 100 aircrafts in india so we have to wait and see who wins that contest.<br />I think budget will be the next big focus as well as contracts with the russians next month.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-27609520503157080622016-09-24T02:07:17.407-07:002016-09-24T02:07:17.407-07:00Thanks for the excellent article as usual Col Shuk...Thanks for the excellent article as usual Col Shukla..Can you pls let us know who is accountable for bringing up availability of MKI fighters and the challenges in it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-90752093776697794592016-09-23T20:43:05.431-07:002016-09-23T20:43:05.431-07:00NSR says ---
Sources said the "vanilla price...NSR says ---<br /><br />Sources said the "vanilla price" of just the 36 aircraft is about 3.42 billion Euros. <br /><br />The armaments cost about 710 million Euros while Indian specific changes, including integration of Israeli helmet-mounted displays, will cost 1,700 million Euros. (Some source also says cold weather starting, improved radar, etc<br /><br />Why do we need to pay for improved radar when we can use it and improve it when France does for their fighters...<br /><br />Does these changes allow India to use its BVRM and nuclear bomb and Brahmos?<br />If it not, then it is very stupid to pay that much money for HMS...<br />It is better to cancel this charge and buy extra Rafales for 1700 million Euros...<br /><br /><br />Associate supplies for the 36 fighter jets will cost about 1800 million Euros while performance based logistics will cost about 353 million Euros.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com