tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post4507539393436535762..comments2024-03-23T09:25:42.029-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: More on the Light Combat Helicopter (LCH)Broadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger78125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-69950164935894283542010-07-31T06:55:59.835-07:002010-07-31T06:55:59.835-07:00The overweight problem,s better solution is to aqu...The overweight problem,s better solution is to aquire more powerful engines.<br />the shakti engine is rated at just @900kw, quite less than contemporay helicopter engines.all the rest are @ or above 1000kw.<br />I know it's difficult but if turkey can do it, why not we try it to.Hiteshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-37361402878198560982010-03-16T07:37:20.200-07:002010-03-16T07:37:20.200-07:00Sir Ji,
Someone please provide some inputs on the...Sir Ji,<br /><br />Someone please provide some inputs on the status of LCH. <br /><br />Been a wait now.<br /><br />Wishing to find some info somewhere.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-16591368557712436962010-01-24T14:57:09.841-08:002010-01-24T14:57:09.841-08:00HAL is a pathetic organization.they cant design a ...HAL is a pathetic organization.they cant design a toy helicopter without foreign helphellraiserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03411466729133439228noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84481512960548362282009-11-03T23:14:57.848-08:002009-11-03T23:14:57.848-08:00also..its not quite right to think of LCH as as co...also..its not quite right to think of LCH as as counter UAV aircraft. As a weaponized chopper, I believe, its main role will be in anti personnel, anti-armour and anti-tank capabilities. <br />LCH project is such a baby in terms of development time frame...we should give our men more time and a word of encouragement...<br />All those with smart-ass ideas on how to make the LCH lighter shold join the HAL, DRDO and NAL..dnt waste your "special" ideas here..natsy83noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70716492083723256882009-11-03T23:08:55.670-08:002009-11-03T23:08:55.670-08:00why are so many people misnaming IAF choppers... f...why are so many people misnaming IAF choppers... for god's sake they are CHEETAH and CHETAK. and not cheetal and chetan..damnNatsy83noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-4063254189301275072009-09-30T19:58:40.653-07:002009-09-30T19:58:40.653-07:00hal is not talking anything about it in the open. ...hal is not talking anything about it in the open. so is this project scrapped or something????????????Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-47076180369313080312009-09-30T07:02:53.601-07:002009-09-30T07:02:53.601-07:00@ ranvijay
ok for your informtion i am a design t...@ ranvijay <br />ok for your informtion i am a design trainee(all design trainees in my batch are M.techs from IITs and few from NIT and that i suppose is no way near the sub par engg college in some north indian state) with HAL and i have a valid M.tech from IIT-K so that answers your question about me being an ordinary engineer from just another college and it would be better if u just smoke weed and stay away from us guys, if u really think can change things, come in the doors are always open at HAL provided u are as capable as people like us(not to forget the M.tech from IIT)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-29585130490214380362009-09-21T06:03:59.893-07:002009-09-21T06:03:59.893-07:00Exactly! Thats just what I wanted to say. Purchase...Exactly! Thats just what I wanted to say. Purchase the combat helicopters now, once we're certain that HAL can meet requirements, place our orders.<br /><br /> I don't hate HAL or DRDO or ADA, hell I'd defend those in a public forum any single day against na-pakis...but without being critical of your own capabilities, you can never improve.<br /><br /> Sure I could tomtom fanboy stuff..45pc composites in the LCA, expertise in software, weapons, an MMR that contains aspects of the 2052 blah de blah, but when you look at the real picture, how many LSP's have HAL + ADA delivered?<br /><br /> Its this same story of a world beating machine - on paper, that I'm afraid might be repeated with the LCH. <br /><br /> Give HAL the orders once they've shown they can make it reach even 90% of the force's requirements. Till then buy what we can, weaponise Dhruvs etc etcRanvijaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-6646226246362635992009-09-21T05:24:23.606-07:002009-09-21T05:24:23.606-07:00I have been following these blogs after posting th...I have been following these blogs after posting that the IAF wants LCH wants HAL to match AH-1Z in specs.<br /><br />It seems that they know that HAL face difficulties for achieving the same and hence justify their purchase of AH-1Z thru FMS from Bell.<br /><br />HAL, instead to understanding the journey made by BELL with the AH-1Z, wants to accept these IAF specs without any thought.<br /><br />Finally, the common man has to pay the price for such tactics.<br /><br />Here, in this blog, there is only name-calling. No concrete suggestions.<br /><br />I feel that the IAF should go in for at least 20 AH-1Z immediately, provided we get deliveries in the next few years. HAL should be told to deliver a fully operational LCH as per IAF specs within the next five years.<br /><br />This will be a good way forward.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-76969424413509955512009-09-21T01:54:32.353-07:002009-09-21T01:54:32.353-07:00LCH developement is in an advanced stage? Excellen...LCH developement is in an advanced stage? Excellent...lets see how soon you can get TD-1 out then. I say around 1-1.5 years.<br /><br /> As for you trying to put the blame on ADA for the delays facing the LCA...typical governemt chaap mentality lol. Shift the blame onto others. I'm going to cut your salary or something kya if you accept that you've had faults too? LOL..<br /><br /> And as for your "engineer-giri"...rofl, lemme guess, another B.tech from a sub par college trying to act like he's the bomb. I say again, instead of hiring half literate idiots from meerut or gaziabad, the govt would do well to double the salaies these dudes get and employ someone from the IIT's or more renowned institutes to get the job done.<br /><br /> And you're wrong about the science/commerce graduate. Me toh liberal arts student from JNU onlee. Wanna smoke weed and chant peace slogans with me? ROFL..Ranvijaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-21581199124618437372009-09-20T02:29:56.620-07:002009-09-20T02:29:56.620-07:00@ Ranvijay
Mofos like u can say what u want becaus...@ Ranvijay<br />Mofos like u can say what u want because u do not have a minimal understanding about helicopters or gunships, actually we at HAl care a damn as to what ignorant asses like u think and regularly laugh at posts like yours(seriously i do it all the time with my friends) in fact we find your levels of ignorance unfathomable and ok, for your information , HJT-36 was designed and flown in a record 36 months and LCH development is in an advanced stage and the problems in LCA are largely due to ADA and not HAL and the trainer version of LCA is done and has performed EGRs thats good enough for a stupid asshole like you who likes to see whats happening with his money and one more thing before ever abusing HAL/DRDO try flying an RC model A/C(making one is out of the question for an ignorant mfr like u) then u will probably know how tough it is to make one,i could've put on a few more facts but for that u need to be an ENGINEER but from your comments its evident that you are probably just an irritating science/commerce grad with no appreciable job on hand (pity you)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-34388134278685255442009-09-18T12:12:09.334-07:002009-09-18T12:12:09.334-07:00For Ranvijay:
dude, check out this article on how...For Ranvijay:<br /><br />dude, check out this article on how the Koreans (maybe you respect their engineering skills at least, if not those of HAL guys ?) will try to develop an attack helicopter out of the Surion (which BTW, is based on the Eurocopter Cougar, with only the insides being changed- even the blade design is the same). Compare the timelines for the third option, which closely match those of the ALH and LCH<br /><br />Aviation Week's DTI | Bradley Perrett | August 25, 2009 <br /><br />An attack derivative of the Surion utility helicopter is shaping up as a likely project to sustain Korea Aerospace Industries’ hard-won aeronautics development skills.<br /><br />The need for development work is clearly driving the push for a home-grown attack helicopter, since foreign producers already offer advanced models whose price and performance could be difficult for Korea Aerospace, a new arrival in the rotary-wing business, to improve on.<br /><br />The South Korean government and industry are considering four alternative schemes under the Korean Attack Helicopter program<br /><br />•A simple addition of stub wings and weapons to the Surion. With 87% commonality with the Surion, development of this model would take four years and cost 200 billion won ($160 million), Korea Aerospace says. The unit price would be 21 billion won.<br /><br />•A new stepped cockpit grafted on to the Surion cabin, along with the wings and weapon systems, with 73% commonality. Development time and cost would rise to five years and 700 billion won, and unit cost to 23.1 billion won.<br /><br />•A new body, including cockpit, but otherwise retaining as much as possible from the Surion, notably the power train, and offering 63% commonality. This aircraft would need six years and up to 1 trillion won for development and would cost 24.8 billion won per unit.<br /><br />•An attack helicopter unrelated to the Surion. This could be an adaptation of a foreign design.<br /><br />None of these concepts will be free from criticism.<br /><br />The first two seem to be highly compromised in the quest for commonality, since the engines would have to haul around the mass of a transport helicopter body that would offer little advantage in an attack mission while offering a larger, more sluggish target.<br /><br />The second option is visually similar to the 12-ton Mil Mi-24 assault and attack helicopter, but the South Korean aircraft would not act in such a role, striking from the air and landing infantry to assault from the ground. A scale model shows that the design has no large doors for infantry, and that the cabin could be obstructed by carry-through structure of the mid-mounted wings.<br /><br />All three proposed derivatives may be open to the charge they are bigger than necessary, a result of the choice of the power train from the 8.7-metric-ton Surion.<br /><br />The Korean Attack Helicopter program has been aimed at developing a light- to medium-size aircraft, akin to the 6-ton Eurocopter Tiger. South Korea’s AH-1s have a 4.5-ton maximum weight.<br /><br />But the rating of the Surion’s two General Electric T700-GE-701K turboshafts -- each at 1,383 kw. (1,854 hp.) for 10 min. -- would put an attack derivative in the same class as the Boeing AH-64 Apache, which has a design mission gross weight of 8 tons and an overload ferry-mission weight of 10.4 tons.<br /><br /><br />If the proposal for an aircraft unrelated to the Surion produced an all-new design, it would face criticism as a costly reinvention of what was already available. A new helicopter would, however, offer to greatly extend the rotary-wing skills that Korea Aerospace has learned from developing Surion with help from Eurocopter (AW&ST Aug. 10, p. 34).<br /><br />One military official tells the Yonhap news agency that development must begin next year for entry into service by 2018. The national security council directed in 2005 that no decision on the attack helicopter be taken before an assessment of the Surion, now due by October 2010. The finance ministry is accordingly refusing to release the first 3 billion won of development funding for the attack helicopter until then.Kartiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-75100671265366548592009-09-18T10:10:22.646-07:002009-09-18T10:10:22.646-07:00"The scientists are a bunch of underpaid joke..."The scientists are a bunch of underpaid jokers"<br /><br />Generalizing doesn't do justice. :(<br /><br />I think the problem is that 17th century process is being mandated to build 21st century products.<br /><br />I recently went to open a locker at at a bank in Bangalore. The manager asked me to get a stamp paper. The only place we can get a higher priced stamp paper in Bangalore is at the main State Bank Of Mysore (SBM). If you go there to main SBM, there are hundreds of people in the line. After two and half hours of waiting i finally get my stamp paper. The guy at the counter worked through lunch (thanks to him). When i head back to the bank the Manager tells me India will be a super power in 3 years. I was tempted to ask if he has ever left the pond!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-43780583463791018892009-09-18T06:53:01.251-07:002009-09-18T06:53:01.251-07:00hello ran vijay! why should MMR be shown to public...hello ran vijay! why should MMR be shown to public consisting of ppl like you.Do you think its a priyanka chpra or a deepika padukone? The ppl manning have shown it to the ppl who have made it and have also been congratulated!do you think defence equipment can be made overnight, by cut copy and pasting. Yes agreed! Things are not in good shape, . do you have some plans to make HAL,DRDO and especially GTRE accountable? if yes then forward it to the RM. There is no point in whining here!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1889625050466907032009-09-18T01:17:42.653-07:002009-09-18T01:17:42.653-07:00The mock up was there in AI 2006...since then the ...The mock up was there in AI 2006...since then the morons at HAL haven't been able to get a tech demonstrator out and they already expect funds and "interest" from the armed forces.<br /><br /> LOL, talk about shoving indigenisation down our throats! The fools at HAL haven't been able to reverse engineer the gunships and aircraft they've had access to and they plan on developing world beating platforms from scratch!!<br /><br /> Only a moronic civillian with a chacha/mama in these PSU's can respect these morons who claim they can deliver the death star but can't reverse engineer the space shuttle thats been lying with them for decades.<br /><br /> LSP-3 of the LCA was supposed to be out a few months back? Where is it? Wheres the trainer? The MMR was supposed to be installed, where is it? Has the LCA managed to meet its stipulated weight requirements? Has Kaveri (lol) finally managed to clear HA trials?<br /><br /> The scientists are a bunch of underpaid jokers. Increase salaries and hire graduates from the IIT's instead of these dudes who'd probably be confused if you asked them how many corners a circle had.Ranvijaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-48867103689382045482009-09-17T19:30:11.414-07:002009-09-17T19:30:11.414-07:00LCH development will soon be 'complete'.LCH development will soon be 'complete'.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-86512034673259921302009-09-17T18:56:34.485-07:002009-09-17T18:56:34.485-07:00haha...people going after rahul m (probably the mo...haha...people going after rahul m (probably the most snotty snobbish bradmin ever...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81000847559559911532009-09-17T17:53:37.235-07:002009-09-17T17:53:37.235-07:00@ Anon,17 September 2009 22:12.
Yes i was having ...@ Anon,17 September 2009 22:12.<br /><br />Yes i was having a roller coaster ride because of people like you taking positions as top bureaucrats and managing directors of defence establishments.<br /><br />because of idiots like you taking control of these establishments and nation an ordinary citizen like me was scared of enemy.Since you might have saved well in the swiss banks you can go and by any 5-Star hotel and rest peacefully.But i am an ordinary Indian living on the roadside with no proper roof and food and clothes to cover by oragans.People like you robbed all the money that was supossed to be mine.People like you managing the defence establishments managing funds and screwing countries defence preparedness.<br /><br />Since you were left behind the walls of an enclosure you can only see whats in that particular room.but i can see every aspect from politics to defence and corruption.<br />You better fcuk yourself or else fuckoff from this country.Indiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-44587968521811811692009-09-17T15:18:51.801-07:002009-09-17T15:18:51.801-07:00Kartik, 'Zulu Cobra' refers to only those ...Kartik, 'Zulu Cobra' refers to only those existing US Marine Corps-owned AH-1W Cobras that are being upgraded to AH-1Z standard. Factory-built (new-build) AH-1Zs are referred to as Viper. Bell Helicopters never offered or marketed pre-owned or upgraded AH-1Z Zulu Cobras to India, but what it wanted to offer through the USDSCA's FMS sales channel was the newly-built AH-1Z Viper.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-27599614771257758482009-09-17T14:38:31.428-07:002009-09-17T14:38:31.428-07:00by the way, someone was suggesting that the IA and...by the way, someone was suggesting that the IA and IAF need the AH-1Z Zulu Cobra (not Viper as Prasun put it) if it wants high-altitude warfare- the Zulu Cobra was pulled out of the 22 attack helicopters competition by Bell, because they cite that they can only sell it through the FMS program, not company to India, as India wants it. they pulled out the first time as well, citing not enough time being given to them to put together their RFPs. <br /><br />so the LCH is vital for India.Kartiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-65806821744714360192009-09-17T11:24:02.766-07:002009-09-17T11:24:02.766-07:00^^^
Not LCA but LCH.^^^<br />Not LCA but LCH.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68550932652375547062009-09-17T11:23:08.985-07:002009-09-17T11:23:08.985-07:00Prasun @ 17 September 2009 00:21
"It can eve...Prasun @ 17 September 2009 00:21<br /><br />"It can even be a MiG-21 Bison or a Hawk Mk132 or a HJT-36 IJT or a Mi-17V-5 or a Dhruv WSI or a Chetan or a Cheetal, whichever of them happens to be closest to the hostile airborne UAV"<br /><br />Agree. India doesn't need specialized aircraft to shoot down UAV. IMO, reason why India chose a helicopter (LCA) is probably because of its 'soft' policy. Deploying aircraft could mean escalation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81979640496164331702009-09-17T10:15:37.500-07:002009-09-17T10:15:37.500-07:00Idiot Ranvijay
got under your skin did I ? :D
it ...<b>Idiot Ranvijay</b><br />got under your skin did I ? :D<br /><br />it is you who said "Good, now the forces will be without a chopper for a decade because HAL has promised that they can deliver!"<br />not I.<br /><br />since you don't know the difference between combat helicopter and other types go back to reading wikipedia or whatever it is you yankee fanboys read.<br /><br />sorry ! can't read you say ?<br />only youtube videos for you ? do it then.<br /><br />fu(k rahulm, for all your bluster you only showed that you don't have an answer to my comment.<br /><br />love to your mom !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-90216744505458356672009-09-17T09:42:58.638-07:002009-09-17T09:42:58.638-07:00^^^ indian from amazonian jungles,wake up.you had ...^^^ indian from amazonian jungles,wake up.you had a roller coaster ride with words over HAL,DRDO,BARC and finally Tom,dick and harry! Do you have any really and practically working plans to make HAL to work like Boeing or LM or Northrop and DRDO like DARPA? if yes please send them over to RM,C/O Raksha mantralay, new delhi-110001. Other wise kindly keep your mouth shut!<br />Dont spoil usefull blogs like this with your rant.!Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-26619556674988152802009-09-17T08:08:59.046-07:002009-09-17T08:08:59.046-07:00India does need LCH ASAP.period
Till now the attac...India does need LCH ASAP.period<br />Till now the attack roles were being taken by Mi-35 which is the heaviest of its class and works well in the plains but not at high altitudes.<br />LCH which is the gap filler to take such roles in high altitudes and with a maximum possibility to take over the roles of the MI-35 in planes in high numbers.<br />Being the indigenous made and low cost attack heli with pretty much good performance as on paper it can become the back bone of both IA and IAF`s attack heli.<br /><br />Once India comes up with a medium heli of its own, we can convert it into another attack heli. or else weaponise it as like WSI-druv.<br /><br />LCH was supossed to fly in 3 years after the funds were provided.But it took more than 5 years and still the prototypes are resting in the HAL hangers.<br />HAL does really have a bad quality control and bad project management.<br />The recent BAE-Hawk is a good eye opener.Being the only aeronautical manufacturing company in whole India it is really taking the advantage.Its tardy delivery os MKI`s is another eye opener.It delivered the final Jaguar after 25 years of signing the contract.One can understand from only couple of these kinda high lights ,how good is HAL capability.<br />Armed forces are clearly burdening HAL.Its the perfect time to bring the private sector for mass production with high quality and in less time.<br />To all HAL fan boys,<br />Only talk if you know the facts.Dont judge by the facts provided by idiots like prasun sen gupta who are foreign workers.<br />They are not really nationalists nor Indians.<br /><br />Another big eye opener is LCA itself.where is LCA-navy???<br />Viraat is currently holding only 9 aircrafts.If HAL-ADA-NAL might have developed the LCA-navy as per the timeframe, we might have tested them on viraat and might have provided a squadron of them to rest SH.<br /><br />Again people might say it is the armed forces who should be blamed for their frequent change in requirements.Right which can be agreed with that.But the change in requirements is absolutely important comparing to the pace of induction provided the developed product by the developing agencies.If DRDO/HAL comes up with a product that been specified some 10,000 years ago and forces the armed forces to induct today ? is simply stupidity and only showcases the incompetence.<br /><br />Simple example is the missiles being developed by the so called DRDO labs.Agreed that there was a lot of technological denial and hence there was a problem with having the needed technology for the systems.But all those people who had the most advanced systems have gone through this stage.they invented moreover.They showed the way and how product performs if not the technical details atleast in theory.Still we lagged behind.<br />After developing a small missile with a freaken 150km range it took us more than 30 years to develop a 3500km one and still is undergoing the final development phase.<br />And on top of that we dont have a credible warhead to mate with the system.Even the scientist at BARC who are supossed to be the life savers of India are lying.On one hand they are not accepting the fact that the H bum was fizzile instead they are covering their ass.And the whole world knew today and that day that we dont have H-bum and we failed the test.<br /><br />If people say that you are getting for what we are paying these scientists blah blah.. then you are definitely wrong.we are paying the similar amount to these scientists.Convert their pays into nominal amounts.you cant right away compare their pay scales with the west since we have a lot of exchange traded difference.<br />Bottom line is accept the fact that we had a bunch of tardiest people eating our tax paid money resting in AC rooms and delivering a product for no use once ina while.<br /><br />At the same time we have the same kind of politicans who are eating more money than these scientists and fail to deliver not even a .00001% of what they are supossed to.While we work hard on our ass and pay these bastards, they are simply wasting the resources and time.Indiannoreply@blogger.com