tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post4102281524165239590..comments2024-03-29T05:44:18.835-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Managing PakistanBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-34323430223692912692011-10-24T05:10:35.709-07:002011-10-24T05:10:35.709-07:00@Sherkhan
We are very well aware that the American...@Sherkhan<br />We are very well aware that the American aid is a "small percentage" of PA budget. We also know it's major source of funds are Pakistani tax payer, Fauji foundation, Saudi nuke aids and Afghan drug dealings. It is not the American money, it is the American power that counts. US pressure is what saved PA's backside all these years.<br /><br />Your comment about "looking in the eyes of Americans" is pure hogwash! PA is even able to talk big because US wants it's favorite militia around. If it takes out PA, it does not have any rent boys to do it's dirty work in such an important area. <br /><br />And please throw this brotherhood story in to a dustbin. Saudi's are preparing to attack Iran by hook or crook. PA is supporting them for money(as usual). So much for the brotherhood.<br /><br />And regarding the CIS. As usual Pakistan thinks it is most important country in the world. Who needs access from Pakistan to CIS when India has Iran? and Russia to back it up? Oil from CIS can easily come through from Iran or worst case Russia. <br /><br />For the countries in CIS, it is no brainier if they have to choose between India and Pak.A nation with a sack of money versus a nation with nutcase fighters. Money talks louder than "brotherhood".<br /><br />India is very lucky that it has a self destructing adversary like Pakistan. PA's usual show of bravado like Kargil makes sure India is on it's toes in defense spending. Add to this Pakistan's obsession with India to the extend of self destruction means, India does not even have to raise a finger in defeating Pakistan!<br /><br />I say Pakistan, all the best for the destruction that is going to behold on you, once the Americans leave. Will see you in five years time... if you manage to survive.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68697440663731120432011-10-24T02:14:45.091-07:002011-10-24T02:14:45.091-07:00The only thing which we have done over the four de...The only thing which we have done over the four decades is kept the dialogue going, at cost which would have been unbearable for any other country. The cost - over 50,000 killed in Kashmir, another 50,000 killed in Punjab, 500,000 Kashmiri pundits displaced, countless security personnel killed and then the innumerable terrorist attacks across the country which would have claimed atleast 5000 more. Yes lets keep the dialogue going. Yes lets keep it going.Hrishikeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03988546767811697186noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-38235188762869890472011-10-24T00:02:57.429-07:002011-10-24T00:02:57.429-07:00The leaked American embassy cables also show that ...The leaked American embassy cables also show that the Pakistani military and the intelligence agency Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) are deeply involved in the country’s nuclear power politics, quite often at variance with American interests.<br /><br />America’s micro-management of Pakistan is especially evident in three key areas: (i) the American Special Forces operating in Pakistan; (ii) the US interference or unduly deep involvement in Pakistan politics; and (iii) the controversial drone strikes in Pakistani territory.HGHhttp://www.hghinformation.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73135638628979202552011-10-23T22:32:09.002-07:002011-10-23T22:32:09.002-07:00Anon 4:18
Great, certainly it is our land indeed ...Anon 4:18<br /><br />Great, certainly it is our land indeed - we should claim it. Just like Chinese where mere mention of these places in our text - be it religious, mythological, legal or historical means we have loci standi to claim it. But..but moment we do it the present Government will look like following RSS line...which they will not do, even if military strategist suggest that's the best way to off balance the enemy. You know our enemy are within the state not outside. That's what nationalist in Pakistan have realized and you see that in form of taliban movement. Probably, where we are far behind compared to Pakistan is 'Nationalist Movement'with challenge to keep this movement secular.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-3386262948713592082011-10-23T08:11:38.799-07:002011-10-23T08:11:38.799-07:00Americans are planning to leave behind a force. Wi...Americans are planning to leave behind a force. Will it be able to meet the challenge or will it meet the fate of British garrison in 1842. Najibullah incident is still fresh. Islamic militancy will have to be tackled by it's horns. In entire history, only two persons have been victorious in Afghanistan, Alexander of Macedonia and babur of Ferghana. Alexander had to bribe the trbes and Babur massacred everybody. Thus the mountain range named HINDUKUSH (murder of Hindus). India also must tread cautiously. Paki missiles can't reach USA. So, like Saddam launched Scuds against Israel, Pakis will use their nukes on India in their death throes. Pakistan's game is over but it will drag us down with it, if we are not ultra careful.ninihalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10944733704774747465noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-79334526981127478912011-10-22T12:44:31.993-07:002011-10-22T12:44:31.993-07:00@SherKhan
>>India has been hoping since the ...@SherKhan<br />>>India has been hoping since the 1940's that this nation will break or be broken. Wishful thinking is afterall wishful.<br /><br /><br />Haha.. thus spake SherKhan from Baki-stan. ;-DMowglinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-5395153657333085512011-10-22T12:18:00.284-07:002011-10-22T12:18:00.284-07:00Sher Khan @02:32,
Bugger off USA,we are now gettin...Sher Khan @02:32,<br />Bugger off USA,we are now getting our pa*ty-hose from China!!!!!<br />That is exactly the kind of delusions Pakistanis are brought up with!! Pakistan will not allow control of the Arabian Sea or CIS until Kashmir is solved!!LOL,that is one of the most hilarious things I have heard,even from a Pakistani!!!And he goes on to say,brotherhood with the CIS and links to the ummah,when Pakistanis make not a peep out oh how Chinese teat their Muslim minorities !HAHAHA! Pakistanis think they can tap on the ummah as they like or they have the wherewithal to influence regional events,apart from being a pest,to the detriment o other regional players!!!Forever piggy riding on others,be it from SEATO or CENTO days on the west to the frantic skirt grabbing of China , Pakistan thinks it can control events in the Arabian sea!!!! What yu gonna do it,with your fishing fleet or do you think of the Chinese Navy as de-facto Pakistani!!!Did you know the Chinese credit funds your Jf-17 line or the turks give frees Cobra helo parts, the Saudis subsidized oil.NO wonder when USA said boo,Pasha ran to the Sauds and the Chinese came over to babysit.And we had the gayest of phrases of how Chinese were sweeter than honey in their friendship!!! Pakistanis have always needed to hold on to the d*ck of either a USA or China and the policies designed to appease either as it suits them. <br />Sher Kahn it is quite evident that you are not a resident Pakistani.Looking at the current state of Pakistan,not even a madman would covet that country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-72983446822627149292011-10-22T10:57:12.147-07:002011-10-22T10:57:12.147-07:00Dear Sherkhan-
Bangladesh was not wishful thinkin...Dear Sherkhan-<br /><br />Bangladesh was not wishful thinking.<br />The well known stats of Pakistani economy is not wishful thinking.<br />The lovely song by the Beygairat Brigade is not wishful thinking.<br />Funny, apt and very brave of these youngsters :<br /><br />Watch : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEpnwCPgH7g&feature=player_embedded<br /><br />Even the sensible folks in Pakistan are kind of understanding whats happening inside their country. Maybe you want to consider waking up? These kids deserve a Nishan-i-Haidar, or atleast a Hilal-i-Jurat for braving the fate that some your good journalists suffered at the Chief's behest.<br /><br />The faster your people wake up, the higher the chance that uou might not implode.<br /><br />Enjoy your Sunday!Heberiannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-51099832158117450282011-10-22T10:04:31.838-07:002011-10-22T10:04:31.838-07:00@SherKhan,
Bete madarrasa degree is not a qualifi...@SherKhan,<br /><br />Bete madarrasa degree is not a qualification, so go, get better education otherwise right now you are eating aloo anday, soon you will be eating ghasSher Khan ka Baapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-45652007814806519572011-10-21T15:48:08.763-07:002011-10-21T15:48:08.763-07:00What I always wondered about is this:Pakistan make...What I always wondered about is this:Pakistan makes so much out of Kashmir but why doesn't India do the same about Punjab which is divided into two?If they want Kashmir why doesnt India also demand Punjab back as a unified state?Surely, with Punjabi Muslims running the show in Pakistan this will throw the Pak military's plans into chaos?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70430373779947527972011-10-21T14:02:21.212-07:002011-10-21T14:02:21.212-07:00Analysis (especially indian variety) is one thing....Analysis (especially indian variety) is one thing. The reality another thing. One thing Pak have learnt from the current stand off with USA is that they can look it in the eye and tell it to bugger off. No one is begging, USA has been told openly it doesn't need the aid. Only indians are well behind this curve...wonder why they are not taken seriously? The percentage of aid wrt Pak economy or militry is too small to make an impact. <br /><br />The ground reality from Pak to CIS to the Med is the same....of brotherhood. The size of your opponent is just a measure of a nation not of defeat or victory. Just look at your history and the history of the world, its full of examples, where smaller, poorer shaped the future.<br /><br />Pak will never allow india any measure of control in CA or thje arabian sea...unless and until the kashmir dispute is sorted period. <br /><br />India has been hoping since the 1940's that this nation will break or be broken. Wishful thinking is afterall wishful.SherKhannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-58240496027226166972011-10-20T22:11:47.059-07:002011-10-20T22:11:47.059-07:00Col, something to ponder over here...it seems like...Col, something to ponder over here...it seems like a systematic cleaning ops, post 9/11. Sadam, OBL and now Gadafi...grand strategy with exact milestones and deliverables. Whats your take....is Pakistan in that list? Obviously, Musharaf was very smart with his fluctuating sine wave strategy and avoided taking sides. But, Kiyani is taking sides and putting himself and his country into harms way. I think Madam Clinton is there today to make that final assessment. I hope Nuclear fart of Kiyani clears off before he speaks to Madam Clinton today. You know, farts like these cause serious health problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-25943149058385842272011-10-19T10:11:10.415-07:002011-10-19T10:11:10.415-07:00Sir,
I agree that all possibilities seem tasteles...Sir,<br /><br />I agree that all possibilities seem tasteless. However, we must take concrete steps towards peace.<br />Distasteful steps such as converting the LOAC into the IB may have to be taken in order that long-time peace can be established.<br />However, we must move from strength to strength and improve our defences thoroughly.<br />We face something not unlike Mordor, in Pakistan. Pakistanis are literally schooled to hate us from their cribs.<br />History teaches us that peace never lasts and war will happen. Maybe 1 year from now or maybe 20.<br />But it is our duty to be prepared for both war and peace.<br />Jai Jawan & Jai Kisan.Prasadnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-18413432575062596062011-10-19T09:05:37.291-07:002011-10-19T09:05:37.291-07:00Nothing will... and ever will... overcome... The p...Nothing will... and ever will... overcome... The punjabi in uniform... Be it God... Almighty... desended upon this... dust bowl... called Pakistan... Then... What to speak of... mere men who came... and went in His Name... and The Followers...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-13931731398946753622011-10-19T08:09:53.790-07:002011-10-19T08:09:53.790-07:00As America is mostly going out without registering...As America is mostly going out without registering any victory, the whole Pak-Afghan region may undergo a severe internal conflagration. India has to be ready at all costs for any eventuality and especially to clean all the ashes and remnant debris in Pak. Then the global recession may go down and Indian economy may run fastest.Mr. Ranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-62145015867272496572011-10-19T06:15:13.002-07:002011-10-19T06:15:13.002-07:00Dear Col Shukla,
A very eloquent and insightful s...Dear Col Shukla,<br /><br />A very eloquent and insightful summary of the future of strategic relationships in South Asia.<br /><br />Thank you.......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81280612065976650892011-10-19T05:30:40.743-07:002011-10-19T05:30:40.743-07:00@Anonymous 14:06
I did indeed mean Arabian Sea. T...@Anonymous 14:06<br /><br />I did indeed mean Arabian Sea. Thank you for pointing that out. I have made the correction.<br /><br />AjaiBroadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-63018942031323860192011-10-19T05:14:26.522-07:002011-10-19T05:14:26.522-07:00This analysis is more of sermon than an analysis. ...This analysis is more of sermon than an analysis. The ground reality would be different when Taliban and Taliban on Afghan side will pool their strength to keep Pakistan out, after US has left. You may argue that it did not happen when Soviets left Afghanistan. But then there was a no Pakistani Taliban component. Now that the Pushtuns on both sides are up in arms and Afghani Taliban is considerably weaker, thanks to drones flying all over, both the Taliban would combine and keep Pakistan out of Afghanistan. that is the scenario the Government of India is banking upon. They have built roads, doing other infrastructure projects, generally getting Afghani people on their side.<br /><br />Pity Pakistan for playing the depth concept too long and too far. Now is the time for Pakistan to put Kashmir on back burner. If they persist then strike hard and long enough if they stage another Mumbai attack.<br /><br />Hari Sud<br />TorontoHari Sud (M.S., B. Sc., P Eng.)https://www.blogger.com/profile/14265763692224763117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-84720910921182136052011-10-19T04:59:15.077-07:002011-10-19T04:59:15.077-07:00Hi Ajai,
Pl. bring forth the following aspects of...Hi Ajai,<br /><br />Pl. bring forth the following aspects of 'Manage'.<br /><br />1. (also intr) to be in charge (of); <br />2. to succeed in being able (to do something) despite obstacles; <br />3. to have room, time, etc., <br />4. to exercise control or domination over, often in a tactful or guileful manner<br />5. (intr) to contrive to carry on despite difficulties, <br />6. (Military) to wield or handle (a weapon)<br /><br />Also need to elaborate on communication between GOI and the citizens while we are in 'Manage' phase. A must to brace for the massive upheaval next door.<br /><br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />KedarKedarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17386162838718535610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-36902789441239403282011-10-19T04:47:59.473-07:002011-10-19T04:47:59.473-07:00Nice article. My thoughts on India's strategy...Nice article. My thoughts on India's strategy for Pak-<br /><br />1. The last line in your article is most important. We must try to keep peace in the immediate term. This is a very tall ask... given the penchant for ISI actively/passively abetting terrorist strikes in India.<br /><br />2. Adopt a version of our grand Afghanistan strategy. Most of your readers will argue against this. Or aim of this strategy should be sharply focussed on changing the mindsets of Pak people. They should see immideate benefits and they should see several low hanging fruits, which we can raise or lower..depending on their behaviour, and depending on which is which fruit. <br /><br />3. Integrate SAARC region economically without making the mistakes of the EU.<br /><br />4. At the same time, be ready for Pak to implode into several mini countries. No one knows what will happen, but "Security along with Humanity" comes first. Leave political one upmanship out of this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-14665719621779053752011-10-19T01:36:41.272-07:002011-10-19T01:36:41.272-07:00Sir,
In the last bit of your excellent article i t...Sir,<br />In the last bit of your excellent article i think you meant to Arabian Sea and not Bay of Bengal.<br />regards,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-30676531528374509512011-10-19T01:26:57.283-07:002011-10-19T01:26:57.283-07:00I'm glad to see Business Standard publishing y...I'm glad to see Business Standard publishing your lucid view and glad you could share this article here. Some straight talking with neither jingoism nor panic in Indian media is welcome relief.<br /><br />To the reader, this article is also recommended for further reading: http://www.dailypioneer.com/pioneer-news/edit/12882-rogues-who-run-pakistan.htmlPratik Dashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12045847543302909010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81134655732623410782011-10-18T22:20:11.805-07:002011-10-18T22:20:11.805-07:00The notion of Pakistan and its very foundation was...The notion of Pakistan and its very foundation was based on a sense of 'separation' and 'religious identity' the basis of nationhood.Since 1947 Pakistan has sought to reinforce by creating a cultural and historical construct that emphasizes Pakistan's links to Middle-Eastern and Central Asia,The South Asian linkages are minimized would have been totally stricken from Pakistan history,were it not for the obvious facts to the contrary.In such a quest, Pakistan is a confused lot,the middle and Central Asians look on Pakistan as a part of South Asia,and for Pakistan,closeness to South Asia becomes a threat to its identity.With so many Muslims outside Pakistan in south -Asia,one will wonder what was Pakistan created for?For if it were,why are many more Muslims residing out of it.For some, reconciliation with India is striking at the foundations of Pakistan as a nation,since India according to them was never a united nation.It was political Islam that united the sub-continent first and it is Pakistan that must work to bring back the glory days!For others Pakistan has a strategic role and position that cannot be but antagonistic to India.Acting as a barrier to Central Asia, Pakistan can 'regulate'Indian growth towards Central Asia to its own strategic ends.Yet for others,the only long term security for Pakistan is that there be no united India.I believe,that as long as Pakistan predominantly believes in the two nation theory, we will never have good relations.We probably should keep our powder dry for at least a 100 years more and that too would be an optimistic wish! At the most we can be indifferent neighbors with some trade and social links.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-41753926653371138352011-10-18T18:03:50.990-07:002011-10-18T18:03:50.990-07:00Col. Shukla-
Another perceptive article. Thank yo...Col. Shukla-<br /><br />Another perceptive article. Thank you.<br /><br />The Chinese can be expected to drag the benefits of Pakistan keeping India occupied for as long as they can. However, they will not throw money at Pakistan the way America does. They know better than many how deeply the cancer is spread, and being super pragmatic, they will not pour their money down the proverbial drain. Also, they know that the spiraling fanaticism will, some day, reach out to East Turkestan. The PLA soldiers guarding the construction teams, rather than letting the Pakmil provide the security is a clear demonstration of the faith they have in the Pak Mil.<br /><br />So their cost-benefit analysis will preclude wasting too much money without enough benefits. <br /><br />I personally am happy to know Delhi is being pragmatic about the US-Pakistan relationship. Its a classic hooker-john one, where money rules. <br /><br />Yes.. dialogue, lots of dry powder and political will please.Heberiannoreply@blogger.com