tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post2036540983606971459..comments2024-03-14T06:10:14.591-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: T-72 vulnerability again illustrated in GeorgiaBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-86751839812008000172010-09-10T09:24:12.793-07:002010-09-10T09:24:12.793-07:00Once again, the same bullshit as in gulf war...
A...Once again, the same bullshit as in gulf war...<br /><br />All of you are wrong, you don't know anything of T tanks, The georgian tanks we see here are T-72M, covered with contact-1 era, these are tanks bought from Tchecoslovaquia, local versions. Their internal systems are the same as 1970's soviet T72, no any modern FCS or computer. Their armor are not composite, just steel, covered with that ERA, they are little bit more resistant to HEAT small charges, but not tandem. They are absolutely vulnerable to russian tank ammunitions, such as 3BM42/44/48 APFSDS. I bet their ammo was from 1980/1990's era.<br /><br />Russians employed in this war T72B, the latest version from 1988, with a strong composite armor, modern aquisition systems, computer etc... New autoloader, reliable, and were all covered, with ERA contact 1, or heavy era contact-5 (T72BV and T72BM). If you didn't know, Not any russian MBT was lost in the 8 days war. <br /><br />Such T72 versions (T72BV) were used in second chechen war, and proved to be resistant to AT chechen fire. Just a little story : Platoon of 3 T72BV in grozny, supporting infantry to take a zone held by chechen infantery/snipers.<br /><br />During the battle all three tanks were hit by RPG-7 rounds, and in particular, one of them took 3 ATGM AT3 "sagger", and 6 RPG7 rounds, all in the front and flank of the vehicle. It managed to reply, and crew left the tank (hydrolic system HS), no crew injured. the tank was repaired and few days after returned to combat.<br />The tank had penetration on the flank (that didn't lead to any dammage), and all around, the tandem era + composite armour worked perfectly. <br /><br />One more thing, the explosing internal ammo is a bullshit, in russian tanks, the rounds are in carroussel only, not in habitacle or turret, this is protected by heayvy front armor and lateral road weels + era + armor.<br /><br />As you can see on photos, georgian tanks were totaly destroyed, either by APFSDS, but much more by aerial attacks from SU25.<br /><br />T-80U and T90 are even better protected than T72BM.<br /><br /><br />Russia used T62 in the war, but not against tank, the gun of it was able to knock the georgians T72; but its armor couldn't stop a heavy AT round<br /><br /><br />Bests regards.GAZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-87134727998772619102008-09-15T04:03:00.000-07:002008-09-15T04:03:00.000-07:00Sontu you need to read up about the induction of t...Sontu you need to read up about the induction of the first few M1s in West Germany, I think in their XII Corps in 80s. It entailed billions to be spent on reinforcing the roads, bridges etc the basic infrastructure for taking the tanks. India and Pakistan are relatively densely populated and built up areas so you wont get many areas to run your tanks in sand. Plus even tanks get bogged down in desertAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-86151259707774237492008-08-15T11:36:00.000-07:002008-08-15T11:36:00.000-07:00Go to this link and identify this tank. ;)http://p...Go to this link and identify this tank. ;)<BR/><BR/>http://picasaweb.google.com/j.jerrine/Tank/photo#5234812728667813042Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-43394929217922393202008-08-14T10:53:00.000-07:002008-08-14T10:53:00.000-07:00Dear Ajai Sir, Why don't u suggest NDTV to raise ...Dear Ajai Sir, <BR/><BR/>Why don't u suggest NDTV to raise this issue on national TV?? You can invite the Army generals for a question round session or something on similar lines.... the public must know why is the army so crazy abt the t-90 with all its flaws...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-90560060626526958772008-08-14T05:16:00.000-07:002008-08-14T05:16:00.000-07:001.Arjun was conceived for “Not to Avoid the Hit” b...1.Arjun was conceived for “Not to Avoid the Hit” but “To hit first the opponent”. “If needed in that aggression mode take the hit even, but survive the first hit and then surely kill the opponent”…This was the doctrine designed similar to all western heavy tank like A1, Challenger, Lecrak and Merkava. IA HQ was okey with this doctrine from the beginning…and now why this sudden U tern? <BR/>2. All these tanks are considered the one among the best tanks in the world because first of there robustness and then their capabilities and all are heavy category tanks.<BR/>3. My assessment of the IA tank strategy/doctrine was to use a layered approach like US with heavy M1s in the front and light Bradlys ICVs in the back..of an aggressing force….So IA HQ when re-drafted the GSQR in later stages, still Arjun was planned to be a Indian heavier version so that IA can use same Layerd Approach with Arjun leading the in front (as tank killer), T-72/T-90s in the middle layer with high firepower( as we can’t have tank force consists of 100 % Arjuns, not sure due to cost or question on mobility) and third layer with BMP 1 / BMP 2 ICVs in mobile infantrymen. <BR/>4. So when IA HQ suddenly shifts it’s strategy to take the Arjun off from the inventory, it definitely will kill our IA’s aggressiveness in the war-field. <BR/>5. It can not be due to just Arjun is Heavy and need extra logistics and infrastructure support.???? I guess A1s (72 Tonnes) were not designed to operate in US..? But works fine in Iraqi sandy planes and fields. <BR/><BR/><B>The question is why suddenly there is a shift of this strategy/doctrine? Is it because of political influence of some western countries …who definitely would not like to see IA marching in PAK plains and fields … or due monitory benefits to Arms Purchase Political + Burocrat Mafia….IB has to investigate </B>.<BR/><BR/>Regards,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-5803900257914197082008-08-14T00:07:00.000-07:002008-08-14T00:07:00.000-07:00Georgia even taken out, one of T90 in the current ...Georgia even taken out, one of T90 in the current war. You can find pic in my blog. Ajay Ji if you can post that pic in your blog that will be great. T series tank is nothing but Coffins on wheel for the tank crew once any anti tank weapons hit T72/80/90 it is almost end of tank crew. <BR/><BR/>Arjun tank in contract to T 90S provide protection to its crew. IA(DGMF) have been shying away from comparative trials of Arjun Vs T 90S tank. As both the DRDO and DGMF knows about the capabilities of both the tanks, therefore both knew what will be the result of those tests. <BR/><BR/>Another thing which concerns me is upgradition of T 72 tanks, Russian Agents are eyeing that contract, IA should choose ‘Tank X’ developed with Arjun Gun and its Turret, or else it will back to useless protection and complete waste of money. <BR/><BR/>Indian Army should purchase as many Arjun tanks till, Arjun MK-II starts rolling from production line. <BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work Ajay ji…..sayareakdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17814546623037128842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-6209014480253883352008-08-13T08:24:00.000-07:002008-08-13T08:24:00.000-07:00^^ that's a common info spread by "Prasun Sen" and...^^ that's a common info spread by "Prasun Sen" and was sent to both of these gentleman.<BR/><BR/>If someone already posted it on his blog doesn't mean anyone else can't post it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-7292378199741020442008-08-13T03:40:00.000-07:002008-08-13T03:40:00.000-07:00Can u post some orignal blog i seem to see the sam...Can u post some orignal blog i seem to see the same type of blog written by shiv arror.sandeephttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17120171092980414684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-68239368939431220852008-08-12T22:53:00.000-07:002008-08-12T22:53:00.000-07:00Reminds me of quote in 'An inconvenient truth'..."...Reminds me of quote in 'An inconvenient truth'...<BR/><BR/>"Its difficult to make one understand something, when his salary depends on him not understanding it"Vishalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12114237294512281713noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-1599326788557238142008-08-12T21:05:00.000-07:002008-08-12T21:05:00.000-07:00Edit: Not hamas but hezbollaEdit: Not hamas but hezbollaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-8638006104393439962008-08-12T21:04:00.000-07:002008-08-12T21:04:00.000-07:00And Today I read that the russian made RPG-29 has ...And Today I read that the russian made <A>RPG-29 </A>has gone in to hamas terrorists and it seems that round can pierce the Armor of British MBT Challenger 2 and US MBT Abrams.<BR/><BR/>And now we are buying more T-72 and T-90 through which RPG-29 goes thro like knife throu butter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-20107700701734934562008-08-12T20:47:00.000-07:002008-08-12T20:47:00.000-07:00The ERA bricks can be clearly seen intact on the t...The ERA bricks can be clearly seen intact on the turret ! <BR/><BR/>I can only pity the souls inside those god forsaken T series tanks. <BR/>God help our jawans!<BR/><BR/>No wait ! as the Supreme court said in one of its recent judgments recently that not even god can help India. So true !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81760833974316592452008-08-12T19:51:00.000-07:002008-08-12T19:51:00.000-07:00And yet after this, the DGMF will keep inducting h...And yet after this, the DGMF will keep inducting hundreds if not thousands of T series junk !<BR/>We'll have a dubious distinction indeed !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com