tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post1372715503367625464..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: Five years late, Scorpene submarine INS Kalvari joins navyBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-77567653703590438602017-12-19T09:30:08.026-08:002017-12-19T09:30:08.026-08:00Why not ask HDW to comply with old sub deal....til...Why not ask HDW to comply with old sub deal....till when will they be black listed....<br /><br /><br />Thank V P SINGH FOR THE MESS....Vikram_prasadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06198432511981448264noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-2668867977742839652017-12-15T05:57:30.608-08:002017-12-15T05:57:30.608-08:00I also think plans for the last two P-75 boats ot ...I also think plans for the last two P-75 boats ot be fitted with a DRDO equipped AIP unit have been shelved on account of delays. They are to be retrofitted during future Medium Refits.Mazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437452172064854408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-57017851802402265002017-12-15T05:55:33.258-08:002017-12-15T05:55:33.258-08:00Ajai, please correct the below info: These include...Ajai, please correct the below info: These include four 20-30 year-old, German-origin HDW Type 209 boats (called the Shishumar-class); and nine 10-20 year-old, Russian-origin Kilo class 877 EKM vessels (called the Sindhughosh-class).<br /><br />The average time in service post commissioning of the Type 209 fleet is about 28 years with a range of 25+ to 31.2 + yrs. <br /><br />Similar figures for the Kilo (EKM) fleet are: excess of 28 years on average and a range of 17.4 yrs to about 32 yrs for the oldest boat. Clearly, none of the older boats are in the 10 year figure. <br /><br />Secondly, the SUT fish are for German origin Type 209 boats. <br /><br />Mazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14437452172064854408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-16031243287459975872017-12-15T05:03:04.197-08:002017-12-15T05:03:04.197-08:00Better late than never. Atleast we are building th...Better late than never. Atleast we are building them at home. Hopefully the newer heavy torpedos are decided quickly. <br />Of these boats are stationed in the Arabian sea, it could mean the ones for bay of Bengal and Indian ocean will be heavier class . Possibly shows where P75I is headed . <br />The crew comfort in these boats is supposed to generations ahead too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-10864342436792154212017-12-14T19:12:48.532-08:002017-12-14T19:12:48.532-08:00NSR says -
If the technology is really transferre...NSR says - <br />If the technology is really transferred and if leaks did not compromise the submarine, then why India is not building more of these immediately?<br /><br />It troubles me to hear that shipyard will be idled and skills will be lost ...<br />I think India must immediately build one every year until some god forsaken P-75I comes on line ...<br /><br />AIP is very important...France already built submarines with AIP for Pakistan...yes, they are strategic partners and friends...<br /><br />I hope that Col. Shukla writes an article on these issues...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-8176226336199454852017-12-14T18:31:11.067-08:002017-12-14T18:31:11.067-08:00Everything action to involve the private sector in...Everything action to involve the private sector in defence projects should not be cynically dismissed as 'crony capitalism'.<br />The private and public sector both have to be integrated and involved in various projects of the country.<br />A pointto consider would be if the various public sector enterprises have the capacity to undertake the projects.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07019866788673460110noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-53977824406721831892017-12-14T18:01:54.342-08:002017-12-14T18:01:54.342-08:00@Anonymous 03:42
The last two boats are likely to...@Anonymous 03:42<br /><br />The last two boats are likely to have the French AIP.... and it could be retrofitted on the first four later.<br /><br />Project 75-I is being built with the DRDO AIP. The navy has satisfied itself about its readiness.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-81110309928961081722017-12-14T17:59:00.424-08:002017-12-14T17:59:00.424-08:00Dear Readers,
Thanks for alerting me to that care...Dear Readers,<br /><br />Thanks for alerting me to that careless mistake. I have made the correction.<br /><br />Getting too old for this stuff.Broadswordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-13727585419268825432017-12-14T14:12:16.485-08:002017-12-14T14:12:16.485-08:00It would be good to hear Col. Shukla's assessm...It would be good to hear Col. Shukla's assessment of the impact of the leak of sensitive data relating to the Scorpenes, which was published in an Australian newspaper some months ago. If the safety or operational effectiveness of the submarine class has not been unduly compromised by that leak, or if it has been fixed by subsequent modifications, then does it not make sense to order more such boats? That would be a good way to quickly close the capability gap that has arisen due to the delay in P75-I. In any case, a class of a mere 6 boats seems woefully inadequate to counter the increasing Chinese-Pakistani naval build up. A fleet of say 12 Scorpenes by 2025 built at MDL would surely be a better solution than yet more delay with the P-75I which is nowhere in sight?<br /><br />Does it make sense to give the P-75I Project to the private sector? After all, submarine design and construction expertise takes much time to develop, and since Mazgaon Dock (MDL) has already acquired some experience with the Scorpene program, should they not be the automatic choice going forward? By introducing half-baked policies such as the SP initiative, the MoD seems to be delaying and hampering the strengthening of the armed forces. This new-found love for the private sector sometimes also gives rise to suspicion about crony capitalism.<br /><br />A final issue with the Scorpene seems to be the lack of Air Independent Propulsion (AIP). Thanks to the DRDO's insistence on using their AIP system on the Scorpene, the Navy decided to forego the original French AIP system with the Scorpenes. As usual, DRDO did not deliver and as a result the Kalvari and her sisters will go to sea without AIP. AIP is now almost standard fit on all new boats and hugely enhances their effectiveness ..... yet another short-sighted decision and no one held accountable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-73798417641055291012017-12-14T09:53:40.085-08:002017-12-14T09:53:40.085-08:00Ajay sir you have mixed up the subs. Kilos are the...Ajay sir you have mixed up the subs. Kilos are the EKMs and TYpe 209 are the shishumar class I guessAmeynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-32563024306483160162017-12-14T08:16:31.359-08:002017-12-14T08:16:31.359-08:00Shouldn’t it be German HDW Type 209 and Russian Ki...Shouldn’t it be German HDW Type 209 and Russian Kilo EKM 877Teufelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09352269714754296907noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-67810181013465753912017-12-14T06:35:44.289-08:002017-12-14T06:35:44.289-08:00You have Shishumar and Sindhughosh mixed up inadve...You have Shishumar and Sindhughosh mixed up inadvertently.<br /><br />- ManneMannenoreply@blogger.com