tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post1361764299667143155..comments2024-03-28T05:22:10.255-07:00Comments on Broadsword by Ajai Shukla - Strategy. Economics. Defence.: "Beijing believes unrest in Tibet linked with Tawang", so Tibet settlement must precede border settlement, says Zhang LiBroadswordhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13076780076240598482noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-70280013262311171202015-05-18T09:02:53.855-07:002015-05-18T09:02:53.855-07:00@Anonymous 00:10 :
Yes, you are correct I am mos...@Anonymous 00:10 : <br /><br />Yes, you are correct I am most certainly no expert nor do I have a strong sense of Ground realities having not served there. Yes, in this matter my information and understanding comes from public information like media, news, Google maps and my memories of being there as a child. <br /><br />I am as curious and also have opinions which is why I should have stated " For now, In my unqualified opinion...." As a member of the educated general public, i feel it is best to leave the tactical and practicalities to the experts in our armed forces and heed their advice (never blindly, one must ask questions but also "not try and teach grandma how to fornicate" ) and so I kept my opinion (not an assertion) limited to a larger strategic/political view.<br /><br />My opinion was that now is not the time for Border settlement as no concessions will be tolerated by two nations public and oppositions due to belligerence. So as a temporary fix to prevent transgressions and for better border management some form of boundary lines need to be demarcated with out having a definitive settlement of border. Currently as I understand the various Border guarding agencies would like most since McMahon Line / LAC is only on paper and can vary 10+ Kms on ground. This is their prime requirement. To Give them a precise Line to defend and patrol. <br /><br />Hence a DMZ was suggested(by me) as a large No Mans land and as a Buffer zone. <br /><br />Once this is contained it will give way to Trade and P2P contact till our relations have normalized (Say 40 years). Thats when we can settle actual border negotiations as we recently have done with Bangladesh, a successful settlement done in a peaceful, conducive environment. <br /><br />If we were to have border settlements with Nepal or Bhutan will they not be peaceful ? The idea is to prevent conflict.<br /><br />The blunder of Nehru was not that he aimed to prevent conflict but that he did so without preparing for it. <br /><br />We can follow his aim, but we should learn from his folly as well.Jean Luc Picardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07523465808756925391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-76998552231418205282015-05-17T11:40:43.489-07:002015-05-17T11:40:43.489-07:00@Jean Luc Picard
The more I read you posts the mo... @Jean Luc Picard<br /><br />The more I read you posts the more I tend to think that it is all but angreji of a speculative fertile mind and absence of knowledge of ground realities..<br /><br /><i> For now, in my opinion there should be a demarkation of a De-Militarized Zone of 40 KM 20 KM on either side of LAC width where nobody governs and nobody marches into and no body goes to settle in. But it is jointly surveillanced electronically, via Drones and camera Towers. </i><br /><br />Given the road and communication infrastructure on the Chinese side right up to their last post on border and lack of the same on Indian side, is such an arrangement thinkable? This simply is a Chinese proposal who one day will come and sit in Tawang (do you know how far is Tawang from Bum La). No sane Indian can think of it. How far do you think is the Chinese strategic road passing through Aksai Chin from the nearest Indian Border post of Demchok ? <br /><br />All other things you suggested are Indian sentimentality of Nehruvian type and not like hard nose Chinese strategic thinking.<br /><br />Think over it ... <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-60604126867357981612015-05-14T22:43:55.678-07:002015-05-14T22:43:55.678-07:00China is not serious in settling the border issue...China is not serious in settling the border issues. Even after capture of Tibet illegally their appetite for land grabbing never diminishes.Chinese exports of nuclear technology to Pakistan not under the NSG guidelines. Does the western countries care. Ultimately chinese want to dominate Asia and IOR. China or US never respects a weakling. India needs to be a economic power house. Only industrialisation can change its destiny. Vishveshwariah said in 1950's industrialise or perish. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-5623343088311462972015-05-14T11:28:03.372-07:002015-05-14T11:28:03.372-07:00I Think its too early for border talks.
The gene...I Think its too early for border talks. <br /><br />The general Public of both nations have seen a rise of overt nationalism due to economic progress in last decade.<br /><br />Both nations are still very ambitious and belligerent as for them the world is a stage and national pride is associated with land. <br /><br />I think first both nations must develop extremely friendly relations. Then when conditions of friendliness are akin to Scandinavian countries, then we can go in for border settlement. We dont mind border settlements with Bangladesh or Nepal or Butan Do we ? But its different with China. <br /><br />For now, in my opinion there should be a demarkation of a De-Militarized Zone of 40 KM 20 KM on either side of LAC width where nobody governs and nobody marches into and no body goes to settle in. But it is jointly surveillanced electronically, via Drones and camera Towers. <br /><br />Next, we must have more people to people contact through tourism and Joint space missions. <br /><br />Then 10 years later once the nations are more integrated and friendlier, we can have border settlement of the DMZ. <br /><br />This is a broad principle, which I think we can follow. <br /><br />An India-China alliance is some thing that the world is conspiring to prevent by couring India and China in separate camps and pitting them against each other. <br /><br />If Such an alliance were to fructify it would be simply be the most dominant alliance on earth, economically and politically and militarily and would threaten all the existing powers European, American even Russian. <br /><br />Putin realises this and hence wisely wants to facilitate this with BRICS,SCO etc. <br /><br />Which is why Both nations media houses tend to up the ante of belligerence during any event as they are financed by vested interest to do so. Its Divide and Rule for Asia and like pawns India and China are following suit, while europe and North america and the middle east get richer. <br /><br />China must become more democratized, India must become more organized. <br /><br />Mao and Nehru are dead and gone and so must their legacy of mutual animosity.Jean Luc Picardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07523465808756925391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-18790806279198103932015-05-13T10:51:30.559-07:002015-05-13T10:51:30.559-07:00With all due respect, Tell this idiot Zhang Li to ...With all due respect, Tell this idiot Zhang Li to go and F*** himself. If any Chinese soul became visible at south of Thag-La Ridge, he would be detached from his earthly body. Only soul will float.<br /><br />For China, Tawang will remain as the bullock's ball, always hanging but never falling.SKnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8726844009873922462.post-83911247860002809452015-05-13T09:16:45.271-07:002015-05-13T09:16:45.271-07:00please... please... please... all markets... rejec...please... please... please... all markets... rejected chinkeese... only hope... capitulation of GoI... 1962... surrender indian market... complete...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com